Trouble with power steering

In the first pic, that needs to rotate anticlockwise as we look at it, the second pic needs to rotate clockwise, so dependent on where the pulley is in relation to those views, you can work out whether you're right or wrong.
 
I have been checking and rechecking on my pump with the impeller set either way and my conclusion is this pump needs clockwise turning. I have looked into if I can make another set up for it, but then it must sit on the other side and the oil filter is obstructing the belt then. I need the correct pump, one that has the shaft on the same side as the six screws holding the pump together.
regards, Barten
 
I received my New PAS pump from JRW after mailing photos of my old pump and he said it was OK for Return. So I got the pump in december and I installed it in my Rover 3500s last week. It was quite easy to install, I also ordered a New LHD HP hose for PAS, and all i had to do was to remove several x-overs that was added to my steering Box and attach the New hose directly into the steering Box. After nipping up the Connections it seems to be leak free as well! Initially it felt a bit lumpy, so I tried turning the Wheels from side to side a few times. It did no seem to help much, so I iopened the bleed screw an got a lot of air out, i had to refill the reservoir quite a lot after this. And the steering feels OK. Result!! Now if only I can sort my brakes !
 
Hmmm I have get mine rover now and I can turn the steer around and around without wheels do move, so the old ownzer says the fluid is be removed from the car when stored.

Is it possible the sterring do not work without oil?

thanks
 
To be clear, you can turn the steering wheel more than one turn and the front wheels do not move? Something is wrong then.

Yours
Vern
 
To be clear, you can turn the steering wheel more than one turn and the front wheels do not move? Something is wrong then.

Yours
Vern

Exactly, I can feel some resistance. I did read the original book with the queen emblem on it. And no no book of lies, I have the original books part 1 and 2 with quieen Elizabeth..

I thought oil in steering was the problem, because the car was in storage from 1981 and is born in 1976.

I presume that this is not possible because when a hose leaks I crash the car without steering, power steering is
just a piston who helps the steer system.

So your answer is right, very cute. Now the solution, I think a connection between steer and the house is loose pr damaged,
normally it can not break.

I also did see the old owner was already busy with it so he did now, loosing the screws on top of the steering house where
adjustment screw was looses completely and the 4 bolds also.

If it is true when oil leaks out I have a car like in laurel and hardy I do be afraid of it to drive.


regards
 
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Can you take a picture and post it here? It kind of sounds like the steering box has been partly disassembled.

Yours
Vern
 
It's not power steering, it's power assisted steering, so it should steer whether there is fluid in the system or not.
I have had the drop arm nut come loose and the drop arm come loose on the splines, and that will cause a loss of steering.
 
Exactly, I can feel some resistance. I did read the original book with the queen emblem on it. And no no book of lies, I have the original books part 1 and 2 with quieen Elizabeth..

I thought oil in steering was the problem, because the car was in storage from 1981 and is born in 1976.

I presume that this is not possible because when a hose leaks I crash the car without steering, power steering is
just a piston who helps the steer system.

So your answer is right, very cute. Now the solution, I think a connection between steer and the house is loose pr damaged,
normally it can not break.

I also did see the old owner was already busy with it so he did now, loosing the screws on top of the steering house where
adjustment screw was looses completely and the 4 bolds also.

If it is true when oil leaks out I have a car like in laurel and hardy I do be afraid of it to drive.


regards
If you can turn the wheel and the steering arm on the box does not move the box is faulty, as said it should still steer with no power assistance, its a legal requirement . I would say the mechanical connection / torque reaction bar inside the box is broken or missing .
 
If you can turn the wheel and the steering arm on the box does not move the box is faulty, as said it should still steer with no power assistance, its a legal requirement . I would say the mechanical connection / torque reaction bar inside the box is broken or missing .

When ik jack up the car, then the wheels do a lot more movement, more left then right. So the bar has a connection, I have look at the cross joint just below the steer, this is oke, I do not now if there is another connections somewhere who can get faulty, I have look at it, in motor compartment side there is a plastic part bolted to the steering box, inside of it is also a connector.

I take pic from manual, this connector with rubber, coming from steer in car , it has one bold through it, maybe it is wear out there , steer feels also like this is the case, finding a resistance every turn. I suspect conector number 33 on pics, it has just one slot

But I think, than box need to take out of the car. So have a job to do, and I did see a high pressure hose is repaired with hose clamp, not a very good idea, so need replaced if I can find that part in holland.

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Hi, When you turn the steering wheel and the Universal joint (cross joint) turns does the shaft it connects to turn as well? Is the clamp bolt tight? If you turn it with car up in the air how many turns does it do one way and then the other? Answer these questions first so we can get an idea where the problem may lie. then we can ask more or suggest a course of action. Although as Harvey said it sounds like the drop arm nut is loose and the drop arm has moved away from the steering box splines.

Colin
 
Hi Colin, I have feel the bold of the drop arm and it does not move when friend turns the steer. The cross joint do turn, and the shaft turns as well, it is in the box 31 and 32 33 is possible the cause if this bold is not tight the shaft 48 can eat away metal from that bold until it just slips through and the wheels get unresponsive. I almost don't imagine there is something in the box broken, but we never now.

The steer has no end, I can keeping turns it over and over, but I feel some resistance every turn or so, when jack up the car, the wheels do move much more, one side more then the other.

So I go read how to remove the box the easy way, because it is also needed to clean up oil there, the old owner did bleed all the oil for storage of the car. Not a very good Idea I think, breaks are now damaged.

I go when mine back is oke start working on it. See pic what part I think is subject of error, all the other joints are oké555555.jpg.

Thanks for your help.

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Hi, Right, that's a start. If the wheel keeps turning without a stop that suggests the connection of the column to the steering box is compromised, so it's possible the splines of the cross joint or input shaft of the steering box are stripped. So I would say take the steering column out first, although the steering box may well have come out for proper assessment. I hope you are feeling strong because the steering box is 'kin heavy and awkward.

Good luck.

Colin

Edit: One other thought has just occurred, check that the steering wheel splines are OK and it's not slipping on the column.:rolleyes:
 
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Hi Colin, Thanks for the help.

The conection to column to steering box is rigid, so there is not problem, the cross shaft who go into the steering's box do turn normal with steer The fault is in the box, where it go into the cockpit the parts involved are these, that part is in the steeringsbox itself, there is almost sure the fault so need to get out that box, I have to move the car so now and then and this need the steer, now I did it turn the wheels with the hand after jack car up and get the car on private property.

I think the guy of this picture also has a problem with that part, you see the wear where the bold is on top. It has no splines but a bold who go on the flat part of that shaft I do not now how this is called. mine English is not so perfect.

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Hi, That shaft is not for a P6. That is how it's supposed to be, the flat is for alignment purposes in its application because it's to allow the bolt to go through. There are no splines because there's no shaft at that part.

It does sound like you will have to take the steering box out, but I would advise you take the column out as well. You don't need to, to remove the box but it makes it a lot easier to fit the box back in. It's not impossible but it's a complication you can do without, especially for a first timer.

Colin
 

These pics are from the manual rover p6 3500s, 31 is at the steering box going to cockpit, and 32 is enclosure 31, it has needle bearing, and I think here is the fault insideand is number 32, and for checking that steering box need to be removed, for example, this car is from British Leyland, did you now that these rovers made there has sometimes terrible faults, like missing bold's, or bearings ball in the manual in the gear box.

I go start remove it, and do not worry, I have experience with old cars. I have pullers and the like for remove the steer parts from it.
 
The old owner has work on the steer box, I did ask if the owner I buy the car from had done this, but no, he has never work on the car
after buying.

I did see all bold's are loosened and also the adjust screw was turn out completely.

I do not now if this is done the box do not work anymore, but when think more it is because the steer box was already faulty.

I have now assemble the fluorescent tubes for good light, and I go start soon, mine back is a lot better now.

regards
 
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