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I think all this recent demanding of inspections is because a few clubs have rather bent the V765 rules in issuing dating certificates.
 
Hi, As I understand it clubs have been involved albeit maybe unwittingly in sharp practices when it came to light that there are more Bugatti,s registered than Bugatti,s built. Apparently having an original car removing the engine and fitting a reproduction engine, then fitting the original engine in a reproduction chassis and then registering that. How true this is I don't know but we have seen later cars masquerading as earlier ones just for the tax free status. Remember the 'D' plate P6b.

Colin
 
Here in Holland we do have an mot for classic cars. I believe there is an exception for classics older than 60 years.
I don't believe the rules will identical in all european country's. In Holland we don't have an mot on motorbikes, not even on "newer" ones so there is room for individual rules per country

Peter
 
For those who are part way through their projects, cars getting sent for BIVA when they conform to the 8 point rules is worrying. With my car, for the last few years I've had two plans running alongside each other. One falling within the 8 point scheme and one preparing for BIVA with every modification. Consequently I have always had those rules in mind when changing things, even though I was planning to try and stay below the 8 points for the first round of work if you like, making a driveable car to test out properly before converting to a two door hardtop for example.
If the likelihood of my car getting a forced BIVA test when it has been built to the 8 point rules is high, I may as well just fully prepare, doing all long term planned modifications and enter it voluntarily!
Jim
 
As far as I can tell the P6 is highly unlikely to pass the BIVA test in unmodified form, but I still can't see how cars are getting sent straight to BIVA as that's Basic Individual Vehicle Approval, not an identity check against fraud?
 
An unmodified car should not be subject to a BIVA test provided it conforms to the 8 point rule. I suspect that what is happening is that the DVLA are trying to crack down on vehicles that have been heavily modified but the owners have kept the original identity. In the old days, you could present the car at a DVLA office, now the DVLA have engaged a firm of contractors who will visit your premises, but this isn't a BIVA, just a check that the vehicle is what the V5C says it is.
 
I believe the problem is that the current MOT is to be replaced in 2018 by a universal European test which includes criteria (I have no idea what) that some older cars will not be able to meet even if in perfect condition. The obvious answer would seem to be a two-tier test, to ensure that older vehicles meet at least basic safety standards.

I don't really have a problem with the pre-1960 exemption, but a rolling 40 year is going to exempt a lot of high performance cars capable of practical every-day use.
I fully believe the there should be some kind of minimum MOT on all vehicles. If there is no limit as to what can be put on the road, there are going to be some real death traps on the road! How will this European standard MOT work here if we are no longer part of the EU? Surely it would be like bowing to the Euromasters again?
 
Hi, A car maybe MOT exempt but it still needs to be maintained in a roadworthy condition ie. MOT standards. You can of course take it for a voluntary MOT. AFAIK the idea for the exemptions was that the modern MOT is not relevant for the most part ie. emissions and warning lights to name two, With the aim of going to a 2 year period.

Colin
 
no nct on cars over 30 years old in ireland or for motorbikes of any age,doesnt seem to be significant in vehicle accidents anyway
 
As an MOT tester i dont think people realize that the mot test is a MINIMUM test standard, i see things on a daily basis that i
would not want on my car but it passes with an advise if you think it needs one.
On my latest mot update course ( now going to be a test assessment yearly online) was told that giving too many advises can be deemed as upsell for work!
I think all cars should be inspected with no exemptions,seeing that some cars after barn finding can run with perished tyres ETC.
or a genuine enthusiast after a rebuild can forget to tighten/install parts correctly, needs a second party( MOT ) to check.
Clive.
 
I think you only have to look at how many cars run around with non functioning lights to see as an indicator of mechanical condition the MOT doesn't actually work. Take note next winter, I bet one car in ten is a Cyclops! I accept it may pick up, on occasion, serious mechanical defects but it also removes the burden of responsibility from owners who assume because it has an MOT they don't have to worry. It is also flawed, how can a reps car doing 50,000 miles a year fall into the same category as a retired person doing 1000? Current evidence (see Honest John website) is that there has been no increase in accidents involving pre 1960 cars since they were MOT exempt. Let's face it the biggest cause of accidents by far is the person holding the wheel, 3 yearly driving tests IMHO would save far more lives than restoring the pre 1960 MOT. ;)
 
I'm definitely not one for to many rules and regulations but having an annual independent check on your car has got to be a good thing.
 
These head lamp issues are 2 fold on newer cars you see.
1...some times cheap bulbs.
2....main reason they fail is due to the way that the car charges the battery, most new cars have a controlled alternator switched on/off by separate ecus or body computers, more so with stop/start systems.
Have seen voltage at 15.50 volts at times with no faults on car.
Back to mot point,cars with higher milage are normally leased so we see some cars every other month for service/repairs.
See low mileage/low use cars with severe brake imbalance on brake roller due to sticking calipers/cylinders, so pre 60 little used can have same problem.
Having a sticking rear brake can under some conditions during heavy braking in wet make car spin out of control due to imbalance.
All the new MOT check items that come into effect are down to Europe rulings!
Strange that, before then we had the safest cars on the road ( no checks at all Europe at that time.)
Clive.
 
I think it's also down to the difficulty of changing the bulb on some modern cars, requiring dismantling of the front. Often a dealer job, with consequent high cost.
 
We will only charge if we have to remove bumper/headlamp to fit ( not very often on our citroen/peugeot models unless bulb holder gets damaged by 3rd party )
Any other time we fit all bulbs FOC if purchased from our stores, 100% cheaper than halfords :)
Clive.
 
Im in to minds about keeping the MOT on these cars as you know when somethings not right with them you naturally have them fixed and not left so as a major accident is caused common sense i guess .
 
Unfortunately some owners don't or don't care, or even bother to check the most simple things before MOT time.
One car I tested today had no washers /no water in reservoir,
6 bulbs blown.
Front tyres well below 1.6mm.
Would have not been picked up unless he was stopped by police or at MOT time.
Still believe all cars need inspection.
Clive
 
True but as these car s are 45 something years old not many youngsters at MOT garages understand these cars basics yes lights brakes and horn ..but common sense if owning one should prevail on these older classic beauties but a basic Mot wouldnt hurt .
 
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