Lucky

chrisyork

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It's been awhile since I posted here. I'm now living in Thailand and doing the technical articles for the Rover P6 Club magazine by remote control internet link. Meanwhile, back in England. Lucky continues to progress quietly. He's been in the care of Colin Gould at Farringdon for some bodywork, then with Nick Dunning and is currently nearing the end of a tenure with Michael Allen. He's been on the Club trip to Ireland and now has a stainless steel rear bumper and my louvred bonnet.



Plans for the future are on hold until I have a lot more money when I turn 65..... But there's a lot of planning going on.... He will ultimately be coming out to join me in Thailand, but there's a lot of work to do before then.

This will mainly be to the engine and transmission. I think I now have a clear idea of the detailed spec for the ZF HP22/24 hybrid auto with quite a lot of tweeks over and above Warrens installation. The engine too is fairly well mapped out. It will be going LPG as its less than a third of the price of petrol here at around 12 UK pence per litre. It'd be rude not to really, wouldn't it! For a variety of reasons connected with beaurocracy here, I want to keep my original block. So he'll be getting a 4.2 litre "Iceberg" crank to take him up to around 3.8ltr. This is as square (same bore as stroke) as it's possible to get an RV8 without using bespoke components. From my perspective, that's a win, as I plan to target engine efficiency before power. (although power would be nice too...) So there will be a very free breathing top end care of 10 stud heads and Gems injection manifold to go with the beautiful exhaust he already has. The free breathing then takes care of top end power, allowing me to use a relatively soft cam for efficiency. Compression is currently planned at 11:1 so that the LPG can be full time including starting. That way I can place the LPG tank where the petrol tank currently is and keep weight away from the weak boot structure. Other efficiency tweaks will include using an electric water pump - which are available to bolt straight onto the footprint of the current engine driven one - in concert with the very clever Davies Craig controller which integrates control of both the rad fan and water pump. There'll have to be extra transmission oil cooling and an engine oil cooler along with a high capacity oil pump.

On the running gear front, I'm very dissatisfied with the quality of the SD1 Vitesse wheels currently fitted. Although they do satisfy my original remit of allowing a decent choice of tyres. So I plan to replace them with 16" Porsche "Fuchs" alloys which are dramatically lighter and available in the correct offset. But not the correct pcd.... So I will be having new hubs manufactered as an exact copy of the current ones but in aircraft spec aluminium alloy. That way I can specify whatever pcd I like and lose a bit of unsprung weight. I'm very tempted to get the dedion elbows, upper and lower de dion links and the tube done in the same material... We shall see how much cash I actually have when I get there!

Thailand is a tad hot, so I'm glad I have Herringbone cloth on the seats. But I definitely need air. And I dislike the NADA system as being overly complex. So I have a cunning plan... Inspired by our HIlux Tiger pickup which has an extremely strong fan separate from the system.. I shall nick one of those and place it above and to the right of the steering box - luckily Lucky is manual steering. This will draw from the existing heater intake and blow back into the space vacated by the Rover fan; that space to be fitted with the A/C evaporator radiator. The rest of the heater box can then function as standard. A rotary A/C pump will mount nice and low approximately where the power steering pump usually is and I shall be exploring whether we can mount the alternator low on the drivers side, both to get heavy weights down low in the car for better handling.

Any comments - particularly on the LPG, very welcome!

In the meantime, Lucky is heading to a farm in Matlock for a couple of years, where I expect we'll see him out and about towing vintage caravans. That should use up the remaining life of the BW!

Chris York
 

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Hi Chris, always interested to hear about engine efficiency, there are a few projects on the boil on the forum here using Megasquirt with various incarnations of injection manifolds. I think ultimately this will achieve best efficiency regardless of which ever hardware improvements you decide on running with.
You need to make more appearances here on the forum, your input is always avidly read by me at least.
Thai land sounds a wonderful place to retire to, I may have to convince the wife but she is far from keen whenever I bring that up.


Graeme
 
Thanks, Graeme

I've had limited internet time up to now, which has been absorbed by the P6Club magazine and keeping an eye on the various P6 Club FB pages....

But I've now got an internet connection at home, so have a bit more time on line to apply. Connection is via individual microwave link to a tower in the village. How trendy is that! Works really well too.

Chris
 
Less trendy than you may think lol. I was installing those sort of linking systems in the mid 80's for phone and data links (NZ is topographically diverse as is I guess Thailand).
Hopefully we will.see more of you about.


Graeme
 
How are you going to get the 11:1 compression, head skim and custom pistons? Is there a target theoretical mpg you're aiming for? I'd like to get my SD1 over 10:1 with just a head skim, not actually done the measurements yet so not sure what is achievable yet, but getting more bang out of the petrol can only be a win win situation in power, economy and efficiency :D
 
On the assumption that I can use P6 10.5:1 pistons with the 4.2 rods - and I haven't confirmed that yet - then simply using 10 stud heads with tin gaskets will add the extra 0.5 to take it up to 11:1. I'm quite comfortable with the P6 pistons. As the engine progresses down the years the pistons get progressively shorter and shorter skirts. Since this will be a high mileage car, I'm very happy to trade potential revs for longevity.

I have actually laid up Fuchs alloys against the car, care of the owner of 808 who happened to have a spare set of the right offset and width:





He had tried welding up and redrilling a pair of standard hubs, which is how I know I'll need new blanks....

Chris
 

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Reading with interest chris, would you be upgrading the alternator seeing as you will be fitting an electric water pump? I take it you have or will have an electric radiator fan set up as well?
I fitted the Davis Craig EWP and fan controller a while ago and it runs pretty well. The EWP is situated just at the bottom radiator outlet and flows through the still in place standard water pump (although its disconnected) the reason I ask about the alternator upgrade is that I find on hot days when the EWP and my twin radiator fan set up kicks in together (ie, the EWP in full flow mode) there is quite a bit of drain on the charging system causing the engine to get to the point of stalling due to the load. I just have the standard alternator and as yet have not upgraded as my car is laid up at the moment but will look into an upgrade when back on the road. No doubt you may be looking at an upgrade seeing as you will also be fitting air conditioning down the track eh what? Have fun with all those mods!
Scott
 
Lucky already has a replacement alternator. The 11AC finally packed up in comprehensive style, so a Lucas A127 style - not Lucas manufacture - 75 amp one was fitted. The A127 has the advantage of being short enough to fit in front of the rocker cover. Lucky, being an S1, has the short alternator bracket. 18ACR's come with a longer bracket which pushes the alternator out to the side of the cam cover.

A127's figure heavily on Ebay from various manufacturers and sellers. 75A as mine and also 100A versions are readily available for around the £60 to £70 mark.

Yes, I'll be using an electric fan as yours. But I shall be using a bespoke water pump available in the UK on Amazon(!). It's American and is designed to directly replace the existing engine driven pump on the same footprint. Another advantage of the V8 having American Buick cousins! This link is to the manufacturers website:

https://www.meziere.com/Products/Co...tric-Pump-SB-Buick-and-V6-Buick-Standard.aspx

I shall also use a sender for the D.C. control unit mounted to a boss sweated onto the radiator:



This was done when I had the rad re-cored to three row.

Chris
 

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