Oil Pump Removal and Upgrade Kit

[stina]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Would like to see the original link from where you viewing that , If as i suspect it's 2nd hand ( oil stained , still dripping , and the teeth on the cam wheel look totally worn/rounded off ) i'd leave that well alone .
This is what i used
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Billet-V8-Rov ... 233125b10a
Over the top but it won't let you down .
I'll have a scan about for the cheaper option , but don't be buying that one you posted

Edit , This one
http://www.v8tuner.co.uk/product.php?id=97

Reasonable money , but you'd never need to look at it again , or for another 40 years , whichever is sooner

Or this .
http://www.v8tuner.co.uk/product.php?id=98
Advertised p5 , but it'll still do the job .
Bit less money

Any hoo , load up , go catch some fish
Anyone know where Gerald and his wife are ?
Gone fishing

 

[smokin1942]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

That's a nice shed - we used to run a car repair, maintenance & MOT (UK certificate of roadworthiness) business employing 4 men housed in a smaller building!

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal and upgrade kit fit and timing chain

Would like to see the original link from where you viewing that , If as i suspect it's 2nd hand ( oil stained , still dripping , and the teeth on the cam wheel look totally worn/rounded off ) i'd leave that well alone .

Hello Stina and other interested parties
Back into it .
This is a Trademe ad under " Rover V8 P76 double row timing chain set "
Ive been chatting to the seller . He sells these for different makes and models . This is a "generic" photo . The oil is in the vacuum pac to keep the metal safe . He guarantees the timing chain as new unused unopened . The worn teeth is a camera glitch apparently .
Im a bit concerned all those crank positions could create a weak point in the steel ?
There are cheaper ones around that fit but this looks the business . NZ$221 c/f $95
Anyway - your thoughts ? OTT ? Ive probably only got another 10yrs of P6ing about before I look at something that drives on the pavement with an electric motor .HaHa

 

[GRTV8]

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That's a nice shed - we used to run a car repair, maintenance & MOT (UK certificate of roadworthiness) business employing 4 men housed in a smaller building!

Thanks smokin1942 but I couldn't get 4 men in there all at once at the moment
Gerald

 

[stina]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Hi Gerald .
If the chain and gears you linked to are indeed new then i can't see a problem with them , they will be stronger than the original gears , and they've been on there 40 odd years . Although weather you will time it anything other than standard is a whole different debate . Any of the ones i linked to will do what you want .
Ps did you catch any fish ?

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

I only caught a fish at the local supie , we didnt get a chance to go out onto the water as the tides were all wrong .
This is the first time Rover has been around the business side of my shed . She is usually in a carcoon out the front part .. Anyway came home to this from the resident eagles that roost in the rafters . Where's my gun ? Now I have to gather up all my tools and drop her down so I can push her outside for a hosedown !! Furious now .

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal and upgrade kit fit and timing chain

Hi Gerald .
If the chain and gears you linked to are indeed new then i can't see a problem with them , they will be stronger than the original gears , and they've been on there 40 odd years . Although weather you will time it anything other than standard is a whole different debate . Any of the ones i linked to will do what you want .
Ps did you catch any fish ?

Thanks Stina
Price is quite good and there is no freight to get it here . Might go with that one on Trademe.

Got the radiators out and swung the A/C condenser to one side still connected to the compressor to keep the gas .
Found all manner of nuts and bolts dropped by various grease monkies over the years . All collected in the shroud under the radiator . Enough to start building another P6 .

Lots of gunk about the front of the engine and here's a story .
Way back in the day : 1974 to be exact . I ran off the road . Thankfully missed an eight wire fence but ploughed into a cow paddock . It was after 1am and returning home from local mates barn dance , so I was a bit not there .
Anyway digging out gunk today ie. 39 years later , I find that same cow paddock I hit , all jambed into the crank pulley . Im planting some potatoes next . Bloody good soil !

With the front wings off Ive taken the time out to replace the mankie vertical wing/body seals - should go faster now .
Got my new anti roll bar in to show off too . Thats the weapon where the new shiny bolts are . MmMm soo smooth around corners now , no embarrassing wallow .

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal for upgrade kit

Forty years of gunk in there . So thick in places I couldn't find the nuts I had to remove .
All this and more for a simple oil pump removal - Yeah right !!!

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal and timing chain

I'll probably go with this set up . My only concern is all those setting rebates in the metal may make the cogs a little under strength . The original P6b one will have the correct cogs with one rebate in each .
Your valued thoughts ?
or
should I just go with a stock standard P6 one at half the price . After all the one in situ isn't misbehaving . I still haven't uncovered it yet from the timing cover to check .
Gerald

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal for upgrade kit

Hot day today so I got out the big boy for that important shelter .
Ive removed all the ancillary gear and all bolts I can see or feel . The front cover doesn't want to budge .
I don't want to break anything by forcing the issue , so what aren't I doing right ?
Gerald

 

[GRTV8]

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Finally got the front cover off - Yeh !
Couple of alignment pegs that didnt want to release their grip .
Had a look inside the cover and felt it all looks Ok ,so have retired from being a grease monkey for the day .
Will clean up the timing cover tomorrow and look at the new pump gears installation .
Gerald

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal


Well all that taking bits off and labelling nuts and bolts has got me to this .
A quick wipe down and it all looks nicely preserved in oil .
Not knowing what Im looking for with the timing gear I need your opinions .
Remove and replace or leave well alone ?
Engine has done 103,000km with regular oil changes .
The chain seems OK to my very untrained eye . A bit of chain slack on one side - in this case the left side .
Is it normal to have any chain slack ?

Meanwhile Im off to get some more degreaser and some paint for all those bits and pieces Ive unbolted .

 

[harveyp6]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Not knowing what Im looking for with the timing gear I need your opinions .
Remove and replace or leave well alone ?

Replace chain & gears.

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Thanks HarveyP6
Strooth that was a quick reply . Didnt even get a coffee down my throat !!
Need I not heed your recommendation
At my peril I'd say
Gerald

 

[stina]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Hi Gerald .
loosen cam and crank nuts , make sure the timing marks are lined up , remove , and slip the new chain and gears on in the same position . Making sure the oil thrower goes back on , and not left on the bench :shock:
The new chain and gears will pull your timing back to factory original , and put the spring back in the old girls step

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Hi Gerald .
loosen cam and crank nuts , make sure the timing marks are lined up , remove , and slip the new chain and gears on in the same position . Making sure the oil thrower goes back on , and not left on the bench :shock:
The new chain and gears will pull your timing back to factory original , and put the spring back in the old girls step

Hi Stina
thanks for that info
After a decent nights sleep and dreaming of boxes of greasy bolts and cam chains , Ive decided to go with the stock standard P6 chain and cog setup .
Im off to my local L/rover man who has a workshop full of all the gaskets and seals I need to progress .
Pick up some gunk remover , do a slap up paint job and hey presto - a full resto
Gerald

 

[stina]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

That sounds like a plan , Keep the updates coming .

 

[DaveHerns]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Is there a bolt hidden behind the timing plate ?
I'd go for the stock timing gears and chain unless you plan performance modifications

 

[GRTV8]

Re: Oil Pump Removal

Hello Dave
There were bolts hidden under 40yr old grease I couldn't see even when I prodded about with a long handled screwdriver .
All sorted now .
She will probably run cooler now without all that insulation in the form of black mud over everything .

I have to sort a gasket for the viscous water pump - not your usual configuration . Any leads up your way - nothing down this neck of the woods .

Its going to get a new stock standard timing chain and cogs
thanks
Gerald

 

[GRTV8]

As per Stina's suggestion - Ive upgraded the front crank timing cover seal with a neoprene seal. { I'll list the old rope one on ebay !! }
It fits in comfortably behind the original P6b oil thrower , that needs to be gently prised out of the timing cover .
I whacked it and the seal , home with a piece of firewood that happened to be a good fit over the thrower .
Peened the thrower in place
I'll replace the grease that is already in the seal with new stuff once Im finished playing around with re fitting the oil pump .Its collecting flotsam from working outside .