Reassembling P6 after painting - some lessons learned the hard way

mikecoombs

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Lesson one - DON"T! the Rover panels are a very tightly balanced fit and it is easy to scratch the Duco so they need to be lined up and the doors adjusted etc while in Primer or bare metal. The panels also alter shape when stored so you need to check the flares all lineup correctly before you paint them.

Lesson two - Start at the roof, do the turret, back and front screens then the Rear guards and move forward along the sides to the front aligning each panel as you go. otherwise one is continually adjusting the panels you have finished....

Lesson two.one - masking tape all the edges that can rub on other parts while assembling and lining up. this will help protect the paint and give an extra little bit of gap when removed.

Lesson Three - When using shiny new stainless steel bits make sure they're bent to the same angle as the ones on the car before permanently attaching them. otherwise the panels won't line up.

Lesson Four - It is much easier to buy boxes of stainles steel bolts, nuts and washers than it is to find where you put the ones you took off on dismantling ten years ago!

Lesson five - To get the doors on the hinges wind the lower pin right back and bring the door in parrallel to the frame as close to the closed position as you can get then drop it onto the top hinge and screw the bottom one down into position.

Lesson five.one - The door part of the check strap goes on easier with the door off but is a nuisance if youleave the strap itself attached - they come off when held at right angles to the slideway and not in the catch piece. don't put the strap back on till the door is in its final position. The front ones in particular can lock and cause th door to swing upward at the front and scrape the front guard (for those who didn't learn lesson Two like me)

Lesson Five.Two - The front edge of the doors move forward when opening as the hinge is behind the edge. If the panel in front is positioned so its edge is closer to the frame than the door skin edge is they will hit each other. The forward panel needs to be level with or (slightly) outside to avoid interference.

Lesson six - Take a picture of all the underbonnet stickers if you are having guard work done; just in case the painter sands them off in the repair process...

More to come as I make more mistakes...
 
Sounds like you have had some "school fees" during this process.
Good tips, though, for us who follow you down this road.
Thank you!
 
got some more... When i get it finished I'll edit it all into a better format. If anyone knows how to set the locks up please PM me, it's driving me up the wall.

Um Where was I...

Lesson Seven - Installing the power windows is done without the motor unit attached. Check straps need to be on so door doesn't over open and scratch against adjacent panel. Outer seals and associated screws and washers need to be done before motor goes on as the window needs to be all the way down. Note if buying new screws 1/2" length is a little too short for the seal ones 5/8" is best though longer is ok as there is nothing behind them. similarly the three screws for the door opener handle bracket can catch the mechanism so you might want to leave that off (including the captive nuts) till you get the frame in. Motor for rear is maneuvered into the hole then straight up going past the frame post on the skin side. You can then grab it from the top opening and get it onto the frame. Front ones are similar but match up where it goes before you start as its at a weird, hard to remember, angle. I've left the bottom brackets off till last to give more room.

Lesson Seven.One - there are two types of face lift front doorframes with the qtr light winder hole. One has access holes for the three motor bolts. the other one doesn't both appear to have the same part no....It is possible to get the motor on with the frame in a door that doesn't have holes but you need to have it very low down and be able to move it around to get access through the existing holes. If I were doing it again I'd cut the holes first. I wound up removing the lock mechanism which is a pain to put back on when the frame is bolted up. Note there are also two rear door types one has a reinforcing bracket under and across the rear qtr window area but it is immaterial and doesn't affect window installation.

Lesson Seven.Two - Tape the windows shut with masking tape (one over the top of the frame and one horizontal on each side to stop it peeling off) and attach the window stop on the rear window (front one you can put on before installation, it attaches to the window frame) before untaping the window: this stops it dropping to the bottom and the rollers coming out of the slides. Best order is to install window frame then stop (for rear door); then seal; then motor.Getting the rollers back into the frame (without taking it out again) is done with the window right at the bottom. Next time I redo a door shell I'll glue one of those led light strips inside it so I can see what I'm doing!

Lesson Seven Note: I don't have the impact bars. At some point I'll post some pics.
 
Lesson Eight - Adjusting the locks. I figured this out years ago after much trial and error but didn't write it down and forgot it....The main lock takes the form of a hook which is rotated around the latch. But there is also a failsafe piece which also opens the hook when you shut the door (and stops the door opening if the lock isn't engaged properly). If you move the latch plate too far in, so as to move the door edge inward, the main latch won't come over the latch plate but the failsafe part will hold the door (almost but not completely) shut. To adjust, the latch plate needs to be a bit further OUTWARD and as it then holds on the main lock, that pulls the door into its inner most position. You can see the latch operating from inside the car with the trim removed (just) under a bright light.

Lesson Nine - When changing fuel tanks make sure all the connections are leakproof before installing in car. Particularly the main clamping plate connection. Note that for those Air con cars with electric fuel pumps and the manual shutoff valve on the inlet, the rubber? valve seal ddries out and leaks like a sieve. However, if left overnight it stops leaking (as the fuel expands the rubber) and as it is permanently out (on) can be left in place. If you have had the supporting deck under the tank replaced due to rust, as mine was, make sure the panel is formed up with the tank in place so you can still get a spanner onto the fittings and get the tank to seat properly. take a picture of where the felt pads go too....It might be some time before you get to put it back together.

Lesson Nine.One - Getting the filler neck bits back in. The rear decker panel to base unit seal through which the neck passes is not easy. My method was to pull the top part through, doesn't matter if the deck is in place or not. it is slightly easier if not make sure the lock slot and holes line up withthe decker panel at this point. place the top (outer) securing ring above its intended positionon the rubber and pull the internal part through the base ubnit hole. then pull the internal part down through the hole like you would a big rubber bung. You can then clip the top ring in place and then put the bottom, internal ring in place. that gets the rubber in.
Next smoothe the inside of the rubber so you can get the filler neck to slide. It is a tight fit but it should be. Normally the filler have an internal pipe which I leave out because they are such a pain to get in and out and cause the petrol pump nozzles to stop continuously when in. Not that it is alot better without it...there is a three piece connection between tank and filler. Two rubber connectors and a short piece of steel pipe all held together with four big pipe clamps. I replaced mine with Stainless Steel ones years ago and I suggest you get ones that will take a 1/4" drive socket as they are a bit less fiddly than the screwdriver only type and will calmp up tighter. Note that the tank needs the clamp screw on the top, the filler's is on the bottom and the other two (in the middle) doesn't really matter but I prefer them on the bottom for easier access should I need to split the pipes up to get them off. I put the two rubber pieces and the metal pipe contraption on first as one piece with the middle clamps fully tight but leave the tank clamp loose. then it is a matter of lining up the filler neck and passing it through the hole witha bit of left right twisting from the top. When the pipe is about to enter the rubber I move to under the sill (via the boot) Tankside, and get the two to engage by rotating the neck horizontally into the pipe (with the pointy angle facing me so I can see it go in and help it). Once in place I them move back to the top and gently tap the neck into its final place with a hammer lining up the holes in the neck with those in the rubber with those in the decker panel. Then tighten the two end clamps and put the four self tappers in the neck and your done.

Lesson Nine.Two - The bottom end and getting the tank in (sorry i'm going backward here...) early tanks have one breather and fitting is pretty obvious. Later, emmision control tanks have two breathers, a catch tank, a pipe that ciircumnavigates the tank and another that goes up inside the car along the roof, through and back down the A pillar then along the inside guard to a tank in the engine bay. Fortunataely there is a joint just before it heads out of the boot. The Vent flow is from both ends of the tank (top of) up into the filler side quarter panel where they join in a fitting and return back down and go into the catch tank. they then exit the catch tank do the lap of the tank then go across and head up the opposite pillar as described earlier. Note that the pipe clips to the tank flange with special clips (Bresco have them if you lose them) and it is not reversable as one end is longer thant the other. The 'long' end finishes on the right side, short end near the middle. Getting the tank in or out is easier with rear speaker out (more wriggle room). To take the tank out you first need to drain the fuel, which is a pain if you are not on a hoist but if you have an electric pump you can undo the carb or fuel filter connection add some fuel hose and pump the lot into tank. Try to start with a near empty tank though as it holds 15 Imp Gallons, which is three jerry cans. If you have a mechanical pump you will have to jack the back up and gravitate the fuel into a can but there isn't much height so I'd try to use up as much as possible first and you can lay a jerry onto its back to get more fuel into it. Once empty loosen the two pipe fittings at the tank bottom, note these are back to front the female is on the tank so turn it not the pipe end to looosen. They are usually either 11/16" or 5/8" and are not pipe thread. Disconnect them completely and plug the free pipe ends to keep the crap out. Disconnect the two wires, check that the black one is indeed earth (the terminal outside the plastic) and your finished down there. That part of the installation is reversed to put it together. Up top you undo the four fixing screws holding the catch tank and remove. Unclip the tubes (except the one going all the way around) and tape them put of the way. remove the tank strap screws and the top catchtank mount bits will fall off withthem. With the filler neck removed (reverse of nine.One) the tank should slide up and over the bottom catch tank brackets and straps. Note that you will get petrol into the boot so leave it open and in the sun if possible. It will dry up fairly fast. It goes without saying that one should not smoke within a long distance of the car till it dries out.
Only point with putting it back in is that the top catch tank mounts slip under the straps after you have got the two pieces connected and it helps to masking tape the top strap screws to the underside of the parcel shelf, out of the way when trying to push the tank back. Note it doesn't go straight back but back the turns downward into position. A really bright light shining under the car upward can help as you can look under the tank and get the connection lined up nicely. There is a bit of pushing and shoving to get it to seat correctly but make sure the top straps aren't buckling up as you push back.
 
This should be a sticky. Any inside info is gold-dust due to saving time and minimizing the possibility of doing some expensive damage to fresh paint.

Thank you for taking the time to do this Mike.
 
No problem at all, I'll use it myself in the future I'm sure as I keep making the same mistakes over. I realised today I haven't written anything about the turret, so that is below:

Lesson Ten - Getting the roof off and windscreens in and out. The roof is held on with lots of screws all around the edge. It is located in position by the rear lip. To remove you undo ALL the screws and there are some recessed in the front cross rail and up under the rear qtr panels. when you have them all out. you need to drill out the three rivets on the A pillar stainless finisher (use a rivet drill they have a shallower pitch and tend not to grab and spin the rivet. They are quite cheap but get two as they can get stuck and break). the finisher will then slide down and out. Note the top rivet goes through both the corner piece and the pillar piece. The Door seal will hold these in place if you are planning on removing the roof more than once. that done the front corner pieces are slid off the side moulding and front finisher at the same time using a see saw motion. The front finisher can then be removed from the rubber by lifting it up and back. The BC post mouldings are removed by drilling out the four rivets and sliding it off. It has a slight spring clamping so be careful of the paint. You DON'T need to remove the BC and D post or the gutter finishers to get the roof off, only the front three. The rear D post qtr panels have two inside set screws and three end-on chrome plated set screws in the door apeture. They come out by moving the front edge out to clear the screw plate then forward to remove the rear edge rom the windscreen finisher. They are really hard to come by so don't lose them! The corresponding inside panel has one or two screws at the bottom, it clips over the D post edge in a similar manner to the outside one but in reverse. You can test to see if all the screws are out by lifting the front corners. The whole roof should lift if it feels stuck you have either left a screw in, possibly way down the rear, or some idiot has stuck it on with silastic silicone....fortunately rover used copious quantities of body putty to seal the roof so heating it a little will help loosen the glue if that is the case. Normally, you should be able to break the mastic seal pretty easily. The roof slides out forward after lifting the front edge with a slight see saw to break the seal in the rear lip but that is a natural consequence of lifting the front. Note if the car has had any type of hit the arc of the rear roof lip and that of its mating window frame lip may be different causing a moon shaped gap. That will make it very difficult to get the rear window gutter finisher and rubber (and window) in. If you haven't/aren't taking the window out it will take forever to get the lip back in the slot it came out of. The two lips have to sit closely together along their entire length as the finisher sits tightly over both of them.

Lesson Ten.One - Before removing the gutter finisher, mark the front edge point somehow so it won't get painted out as it is critical to getting the corner piece clipped back into it on reassembly without bending or dinking them. To remove, there is a little lip on the lower side, place the end grain of a piece of wood against this and give it a tap with a hammer. This will unclip it with little damage. The BC post finisher really needs to be off or you will get stuck in the middle. Note these pieces need to be kept perfectly straight as bends will make it difficult to get back on and look bad when on.

Lesson ten.Two - Interior roof lining. If you are taking the front or rear window out do that first as you can then slide the lining through the nice big hole! The Headlining is locked in place by a built in clip at the centre rear and the two side strips. The front piece and A post internal finishers are just that and don't actually hold the lining in. Never the less they need to come out first, after the visors and Mirror. Note the visors screw directly into the corner sheetmetal so hold them up as you undo the screws so you don't pull the remaining screws through their holes. The later mirrors are a safety type, to get them off you first twist the stalk out of the base (it is spring loaded and designed to come out if you head hits it) making the screws visible in the base. The visors and mirror are what holds the front finisher in so do the mirror first...so the ends don't droop.
The side strips have Four screws in each of them. one at each end and two in the middle the second one (or sometimes a third one) is high up holding the roof only. You need to remove the rear inside Qtr panel first then when you remove the side strips the whole roof frame drops on your head so do it from outside the car with the front seats up to catch it. It unclips at the rear by some secret method I've never fathomed but it does come out. Once down you need to disconnect the light wires and try to keep the insulation sheet intact; it is supposed to be stuck on but the fibres come loose easily. the light is mounted on the steel frame. Note if you are fitting a Hollandia steel sunroof there is no light but you can cut the fitting out of the standard roof frame and rivet/weld it in. My frame has had this done to it and the interior looks otherwise normal. Except you can see at night. Getting the lining out one of the doors is no fun but the book is right and I think you need the seats to be far forward and laid back. Two people make it easier.

Lesson Ten.Three - Putting the roof back on. It is pretty simple really. Try not to disturb any of the speed nuts that the screws go into as you can spend quite some time getting them back into the right place because the roof needs to be in its final position for many of them to line up. If the rear window is in you need to slide/work the rear lip into the slot then sit the rof down on the (permanently) sticky goo (NOT silastic!) meaning a non-setting sealer than won't glue the roof on permanently. Start putting the screws in loosely at he rear working your way evenly to the front cross bar. You may need to tighten the rear screws before you can get the front ones in. If the roof and rear window are not aligned as above you may find it very hard to get some screws to start as a result of the gap. Try tightening the ones either side (to pull the roof down into shape). That done you can then put the front finisher in its slot. soapy water will help get the hook edge into and over the rubber. You then need to slide the corner finisher onto the front finisher and then maneuvre it on top of the gutter finisher, tucking the inside piece into place at the same time. This is best done with th door seal OFF an some paint handy as its easy to scratch the pinch channel. Note the front finisher slides on, the gutter finisher is clipped onto. Then the A post cap is slid back up under the corner piece and riveted back in place noting that the corner finisher and A post cap share the top rivet, one being under the other. If the rivets didn't come out completely, that is you just took the head off, you can punch them through first but try not to make a bigger hole.

Lesson Ten.Four - The Rear qtr panels. These can be a real pain for three reasons. First there are two sets of screws at right angles to one another, Second the nuts are in J clips ie. captive nut n spring clip, which move about somewhat and Three the holes the J clips sit in offer very little lateral support so its very easy to cross thread the fine pitch (10-32) threads and the panel is designed to prevent you seeing where the screw is going. After much stuffing around (Days) I finally figured out that the holes on one side of the car did not align ith those on the panel at all. I wound up doing two things to fix the End direction chrome screws, first I made a single aluminium strip up to screw them into based on the panel holes which I clipped to the frame with paper clips then I lined this up to get one screw in correctly, took the panel back off marked where the holes were out and filed them to suit....With that fixed the panel is slid into the window finisher recess first then rotated into position then the chrome end screws are inserted and tightened up followed by the two internal set screws note you need toither bend the tab at the top of the end screwplate or rock the panel back and fourth so the tab fits up into the corner of the door aperture. I used a similar screw plate process on the rear panel under the boot at the back which suffers a similar loose Jclip problem. Note you only really need four UNF tap and die sizes for the Rover body panels, 10-32, 1/4", 5/16" and a few 3/8" but be aware buying nuts (and sometimes set screws) in 10-32 (3/16" in other threads) they can come in EITHER 5/16" head size or 3/8" head size (across the flats). The rear decker panel needs the smaller size head or the two right angle nuts interfere with each other when mounting.
 
Lesson Eleven - Rewiring the rear lights. The spade connector on the left side (non-battery side) goes on the switch for the boot light. The power source for the left lights is the wiring to the right lights, except of course the blinkers. The main feed goes into several dual connectors located above the Battery. One output goes to the same side the other goes to the opposite side so each double connector has three wires. plus one spare for trailer lights, even the blinker wire on the right as a double connector to allow trailer attachment .

Lesson Eleven.One - if you are putting the car in for painting inside the boot wrap all the connectors up in glad wrap and tuck them away out of site. That way you won't have ten black wires to sort through when you get it back!
 
I sub contracted the painting bit and four 'repairers' later i'm putting it back together myself. I've done it several times now but never written it down so i keep having the same problems. Hopefully I can refer back to this and others can use it as well from now on.
 
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