Rover 2000TC- Took the head off and this what I found

Yes, the first problem appears when taking the car back home from the seller in Italy: the gear lever got stuck in reverse when I made 160 km from departure. A local garage mede an emergency repair and I put the car in a ferry in Genova to Barcelona; I made 120 km from the port of Barcelona to get home and then I decided to take engine and gearbox out together. I found that there were missing some bushes in the linkage system, so I ordered the parts. In enclosing some pics to illustrate.

The thing starts to complicate because, you know, the engine is there, looking at you provocatively, like asking: Do you want to have a look to see what I have ? And now here I am with the cylinder head off and the sump asking: What about me ?!:rolleyes:
Sorry I forgot to enclose the pics related to gear lever. Here they are:
 

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That's a very late 2200 gearlever and selector rod, with the metal acorn on the bottom of the lever and the nylon bush in the selector rod. 2000 gearboxes didn't have those.
 
Use a ridge reamer so the pistons come out easily!
Ok, I wrote ¨ridge reamer¨ on google, found lots of videos and understood what was all about.
Thanks for the advice, if I push the piston up, all the debris in the border of the bore will make it difficult.
I will try to get one ( lend, rent or ... buy )
 
That's a very late 2200 gearlever and selector rod, with the metal acorn on the bottom of the lever and the nylon bush in the selector rod. 2000 gearboxes didn't have those.

Are you talking about the bottom picture on each of the pictures? They look like the ones from MGBD, with the top belonging to his gearbox - at a guess.

Also, remember that the Italian-spec cars were different. They were effectively late 2200's fitted with 2000 engines, for tax reasons.
 
Are you talking about the bottom picture on each of the pictures? They look like the ones from MGBD, with the top belonging to his gearbox - at a guess.

Also, remember that the Italian-spec cars were different. They were effectively late 2200's fitted with 2000 engines, for tax reasons.

Hi Chris, all the pictures are from my car, the top showing how the car came, and the bottom are with the bushes I fitted.
 
Are you talking about the bottom picture on each of the pictures? They look like the ones from MGBD, with the top belonging to his gearbox - at a guess.

No, I meant the two pics on the RHS.


Also, remember that the Italian-spec cars were different. They were effectively late 2200's fitted with 2000 engines, for tax reasons.

I wouldn't know about that, but it could explain why those parts are fitted with a 2000 engine.
 
Well I've started to gently clean the upper portion of the bore, with WD 40 and I found in cylinder Nr 3 a not so funny mark,
any idea ? Do I have to worry about this ?
Thanks


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Sorry, I would like to have opinions about the condition of the bores. I made a gently clean to have a first impression.
Thanks
 

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I am hardly an expert, but in my view these bores look well used, or badly used. Try and feel with you fingernail for a ridge at the top of piston ring stroke. If you can feel something significant, then you need oversize pistons and a rebore, to give you a simple answer. However, the proper way to do it is to have a machine shop measure the bores also for ovality. The cylinder 3 looks as though it had an adventure. The damage at the bottom of the bowl could have been from detonation? This is just a guess. Also the marks on the cylinder wall are not normal. Perhaps the engine was left standing with some water in there? It has broken rings? You should really take the pistons out for inspection.
 
The top of the piston looks like it has melted from to much heat.
The bores do not look in great condition either. As you have got this far I would pull out the pistons to allow a full inspection of the walls and piston rings ect.
 
I am hardly an expert, but in my view these bores look well used, or badly used. Try and feel with you fingernail for a ridge at the top of piston ring stroke. If you can feel something significant, then you need oversize pistons and a rebore, to give you a simple answer. However, the proper way to do it is to have a machine shop measure the bores also for ovality. The cylinder 3 looks as though it had an adventure. The damage at the bottom of the bowl could have been from detonation? This is just a guess. Also the marks on the cylinder wall are not normal. Perhaps the engine was left standing with some water in there? It has broken rings? You should really take the pistons out for inspection.
I agree Demetris, they don't look nice at all. I think that is not a matter of new rings. I'm seriously thinking in taking the block to a machine shop.
I will try to find a Rover specialist in England and spend some money ( hope not too much ), in a proper rebuild.
 
The top of the piston looks like it has melted from to much heat.
The bores do not look in great condition either. As you have got this far I would pull out the pistons to allow a full inspection of the walls and piston rings ect.
I appreciate your interest, as I wrote to Demetris, I'm beginning to realize that the best thing is to find a good machine shop ( better in England ), and send the engine to be rebuilt.
 
Good machine shops exist everywhere, UK, Spain, Greece and they follow the same procedures. I am sure that you can find one with a good reputation closer to your home. You will probably need to source some parts like pistons (if necessary...) and gaskets from UK, but from my experience i would not underestimate any local sources. For example Recambios Balta in Barcelona carry a stock of various Rover parts among others. I have never used them, but since Girona is rather close to Barcelona, it doesn't harm to ask.
 
Good machine shops exist everywhere, UK, Spain, Greece and they follow the same procedures. I am sure that you can find one with a good reputation closer to your home. You will probably need to source some parts like pistons (if necessary...) and gaskets from UK, but from my experience i would not underestimate any local sources. For example Recambios Balta in Barcelona carry a stock of various Rover parts among others. I have never used them, but since Girona is rather close to Barcelona, it doesn't harm to ask.
When I restored my TR6, back in 2003 I´ve sent the engine to England and they made a very good job. Regarding the parts, I prefer buying from England. I know Recambios Balta but they have a mainly Mini parts, forget about Rover. At the moment, I'm buying the Rover Parts from Wadhams, Wins and MGBD.
I'm getting in contact with Rectificaciones Carcassona in Barcelona, and maybe I provide them with the parts.
 
It all depends on how far you want to go. Replacing the engine with a known working one would be a cheaper option than rebuilding.

If you're going to rebuilt, you could always bore the engine out to 2.2 and play around with it a little.
 
It all depends on how far you want to go. Replacing the engine with a known working one would be a cheaper option than rebuilding.

If you're going to rebuilt, you could always bore the engine out to 2.2 and play around with it a little.
The problem is the cheaper option always becomes the more expensive in my experience, sellers of clapped out engines for sale online sellers will tell you anything to get you to party with your dosh. Far better just to bite the bullet and have it professionally looked at and restored then it will be like brand new end of problem.
 
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First of all, thanks for the advice I'm getting from all of you. I'm aware too that is difficult to to tell what is the best to do.
There are lots of different factors that makes a good or bad decision.

At the moment, I am collecting opinions from a couple a well known restorers in Barcelona, and they agree in sending the engine to England:).
That will be serious money ( waiting for the quotes to come).
Both of them agree that the Rover is almost unknown in Spain, and that the engine despite being a normal engine,
has particularities that could led to a disaster.

Anyway I will explore an intermediate solution that is: send the head to England ( 400 GBP ); take the block to a machine shop in Barcelona to rebore ( telling them the different pistons and rings size available ), and then assemble the engine here in my garaje...:rolleyes:...at my one risk...
I feel rather confident in my skills, and I could do it with plenty of time and care.
 
The problem is the cheaper option always becomes the more expensive in my experience, sellers of clapped out engines for sale online sellers will tell you anything to get you to party with your dosh. Far better just to bite the bullet and have it professionally looked at and restored then it will be like brand new end of problem.
I agree with you that a new engine could be a ¨box full of surprises¨( like we say in Spanish )
 
I agree with you that a new engine could be a ¨box full of surprises¨( like we say in Spanish )
Agree problem yes cheap but not so cheap when engine is again big problem spending time ect I like cutting corners but not always cheaper way to do things is correct way.
 
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