tappets broken during the running-in process

Jorgenson

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Is it possible that the hydraulic tappets are completely broken during the running-in process?I bought a new engine and installed new rocker arm shafts, new hydraulics, etc., and also set the preload to 1.6 mm, with adjustable rods.But it still rattles a lot.I let the engine warm up so that the tappets would be nice and full. But it hurts to hear it now.We used 20/50 vavoline vr1 as oil, like always and the oil pressure is good

best regards from the black forest
jorgen
 
1.6mm is around 63 thou. Personally I would set them at 40 thou, although I can't see why they would be noisy set at 63.

Have you removed the rocker covers to try and find exactly where the noise is coming from? There are some inferior rockers and shafts around which can cause noise.
 
I installed new rockers and shafts from Island4x4, cos the old shafts were done for, no other changes, almost dead silent.
 
Sometimes lifters wont prime or 'pump up' and collapse, particularly some of the pattern part ones with much wider internal tolerances than are ideal.
Real Steel amongst other quality suppliers should stock the decent ones.
 
You mention 'the running in process' Did you follow the correct cam break in procedure when you first started the car ?
ie - no idling, straight to 2500 rpm for 20 minutes.
 
You mention 'the running in process' Did you follow the correct cam break in procedure when you first started the car ?
ie - no idling, straight to 2500 rpm for 20 minutes.
no, I don't think so. The car was handed over to us after the engine was bought by v8developments or something like that. 4.0 engine
 
so... I'll put in new hydros and then see after I've adjusted the preload. Should we pre-fill the hydros after adjusting?
 
I think you may need to examine the camshaft for wiped lobes. You may need to replace both cam and lifters.
I don’t think pre oiling lifters is recommended, but follow the instructions that come with the parts.
I don’t understand your reply re V8 Dev.
You may need fans in front of the rad to keep temps down, new engines are tight and get hot quick, you want to ensure it runs the full break in period.
 
So you bought a new engine from V8 developments but don't know if the break in period happened?

Is it a stock engine or something a little wilder?
 
I would also check the rocker shaft, this can very easily be assembled incorrectly when stripping down a rocker shaft assembly and could be fitted in the wrong orientation, (an old trick to raise oil pressure when selling a duff engine) (not saying your is). On the original rocker shafts there is a line on the end of the shaft (as stated in workshop manual), but newer replacement parts do not have this mark and you have to work it out. It is important because this lines up the oil holes to allow oil to flow into the rockers oil tube and into the cup, makes a cushion around the ball on the top of the push rod and the rocker cup, engine will make tapping noise if not getting oil in there ie not lined up, Just a thought anyway!
On a second note, I have never measured pre load unless building a performance engine, hydraulic lifters pump up at hi RPM and limits max RPM, I have only used adjustable rods when using solid lifters along with some unsociable cam, but then you need to machine valve spring seats down a bit, plus many other knock on effects (all depends on what is required of the engine)
 
So you bought a new engine from V8 developments but don't know if the break in period happened?

Is it a stock engine or something a little wilder?
It wasn't me, the owner of the car, who bought it ! and I have no clue how the engine was run in :)

it should be stage 1, so a bit wilder
 
I would also check the rocker shaft, this can very easily be assembled incorrectly when stripping down a rocker shaft assembly and could be fitted in the wrong orientation, (an old trick to raise oil pressure when selling a duff engine) (not saying your is). On the original rocker shafts there is a line on the end of the shaft (as stated in workshop manual), but newer replacement parts do not have this mark and you have to work it out. It is important because this lines up the oil holes to allow oil to flow into the rockers oil tube and into the cup, makes a cushion around the ball on the top of the push rod and the rocker cup, engine will make tapping noise if not getting oil in there ie not lined up, Just a thought anyway!
On a second note, I have never measured pre load unless building a performance engine, hydraulic lifters pump up at hi RPM and limits max RPM, I have only used adjustable rods when using solid lifters along with some unsociable cam, but then you need to machine valve spring seats down a bit, plus many other knock on effects (all depends on what is required of the engine)
The tip with the rocker arm shaft is good, I'll check that today.
 
Basically the oil holes in the shafts should point towards the engine centre so that when the rocker is actuated the oil is fed to the loaded face.
 
Basically the oil holes in the shafts should point towards the engine centre so that when the rocker is actuated the oil is fed to the loaded face.
But there are two orientations that point towards the centre, I cant remember which one it was but i think it may have been high, towards where the the carbs go, the other one was towards the valley
 
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