Fitting Lower Ball Joints

SydneyRoverP6B

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Recently, I removed both lower ball joints and a pair of NOS items were fitted. I received outstanding assistance from great friend and fellow Rover owner Rob. He used his skills to make two excellent tools to enable fitting the ball joints with significantly greater ease. The first is a frame that secures the swivel pillar, thus allowing a stable solid platform to be utilised. Once placed onto the jaws of an offset Dawn vice, the pillar is both stable and secure for fitting the ball joint.

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The swivel pillar is held extremely secure within this purpose built frame. There are two distinct frames, one for each pillar.

The second tool is a dolly, machined by Rob on his mill. It made fitting the ball joint significantly easier than, as example, using a length of water pipe. The dolly has been machined so that it rests securely upon the crown of the ball joint, with no contact with the ball joint flange. Thus all of the applied force is directed into the crown, enhancing fitment.

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The shadow mark illustrates the location of the dolly with the crown of the ball joint.

The ball joints are fitted dry, no grease or oil is applied to either the splines of the ball joint, or the inside surface of the swivel pillar. I had used a touch of grease in the past, but this time opted for fitting them dry.

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The base of the swivel pillar, showing the location of where the lower ball joint resides.

The casting of the swivel pillar is such that the flange of the ball joint, when flush with the casting closest to my fingers, must be 1 to 1.5mm below the top of the casting, at the point opposite. If you find that the flange is flush with the casting all of the way around, then the ball joint is going in crooked, and you will run into problems in continuing to drive it in. The best option is to then pull the ball joint out sufficiently to allow corrections to be made, so that when you drive it in again, it follows the correct straight path.

It is also advisable never to file the splines around the face of the ball joint. If you find that you just cannot get it started, then a very slight chamfer around the leading edge only of the first row of splines may be acceptable, but ideally you should refrain if at all possible from this action.

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The dolly follows the ball joint into the recess within the swivel pillar.

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The ball joint fully home.

One thing that did strike me though is that initially we attempted to press the ball joints in using a 12 tonne press. The press though was not able to do the job, insufficient force it appeared being delivered. I would have thought it capable, but that was not the case. I appreciate that there is a certain loss through the frame of the press, but to what extent I do not know.

So I used the hammer as seen, and slowly but surely, the ball joints went in!

Ron.
 
Thanks gents :)

Replacing bottom ball joints is certainly significantly more time consuming that doing the top ones.

Ron.
 
Nicely done on a difficult job.

Thanks John :)

Luckily I have not had to do it very often. The original factory fitted n/s ball joint was replaced in 1997 at 163,821 miles (263,752km), the original o/s in 2007 at 198,344 miles (319,334 km). Now those two have both been replaced in 2017, and I am hoping to go for at least another 200,000 miles before I have to do them again ;)

Ron.
 
Odd that the 12 ton press wouldn't do the job. We usually just drifted them home, but I used a 10 ton press a few times without trouble. This was with OEM joints, I wonder if the splines on the aftermarket joints are a bit taller, which might explain why I've seen mention of filing the splines down in recent years.

Yours
Vern
 
Imagine 30,000ml down the road and one needs to get the bugga out after being driven in at 12T
 
Odd that the 12 ton press wouldn't do the job. We usually just drifted them home, but I used a 10 ton press a few times without trouble. This was with OEM joints, I wonder if the splines on the aftermarket joints are a bit taller, which might explain why I've seen mention of filing the splines down in recent years.

Hi Vern,

The ball joints that I fitted were OEM, so given that you had used a 10 ton press with success previously, that would thus cast doubts on the capabilities of the 12 ton press. We did have reservations that something may have gone wrong, as we did a test with a spare swivel pillar and old ball joint that we had removed from it. In this instance, the press worked fine in pressing back in that ball joint. Then we attempted to press in one of my new OEM ball joints into my Rover's swivel pillar. The press moved the joint in only part way, the flange was still above the casting, then it stopped, unable to move it further. Hence they were both then fitted by hand using the hammer shown.

We also attempted to press out an old universal joint from one of my spare half shafts, and again the press would not move the uni joint, not even a fraction. Again we ended up doing it by hand. The joint had been factory fitted, and it was extremely tight. Took quite a while to finally drift it out.

Imagine 30,000ml down the road and one needs to get the bugga out after being driven in at 12T

Hi Gerald,

They actually come out much easier than you might think, well at least they do when using the correct tool. Whereas it might take ( I didn't time it ) say 30 minutes to fit one, it may only take one minute to pull one out. The times as I say were not measured, this is purely an example of the relative differences.

Ron.
 
If the joints are tight in the pillar then they pull the pin out of the joint when you try to pull them out. Then it's a case of digging out all the nylon inside and welding the pin back in again.
 
If the joints are tight in the pillar then they pull the pin out of the joint when you try to pull them out. Then it's a case of digging out all the nylon inside and welding the pin back in again.

Hi Harvey,

I have only had to do that once, although I didn't notice any nylon. Do the OEM joints have nylon inside the cup? I am aware that QH ball joints do.

Ron.
 
I have only had to do that once, although I didn't notice any nylon. Do the OEM joints have nylon inside the cup? I am aware that QH ball joints do.

When I was at the Main Stealer, because of the numbers that were being replaced, there were quite a few that pulled the pin out, so the workshop foreman used to arc weld the pins back in and I'm sure I remember him digging out the inserts. Maybe those were non original joints, but I can't see the OE ones being metal to metal.
 
If the joint was real sloppy we'd tack weld the pin before we even tried to pull it. I'm with Harvey, I think they all had the nylon insets.

Yours
Vern
 
When I was at the Main Stealer, because of the numbers that were being replaced, there were quite a few that pulled the pin out, so the workshop foreman used to arc weld the pins back in

That is interesting Harvey, given my first lower ball joint lasted almost 170,000 miles, and that was 1997 or so when it needed replacing. Did the cars that came into the dealer have mileages similar to that, or were joints replaced as a matter of course?

Ron.
 
Did the cars that came into the dealer have mileages similar to that, or were joints replaced as a matter of course?

Joints were never replaced as a matter of course, it was just a case that the huge numbers of cars going through the workshops obviously gave a high number of failures.
 
What did you use to pull the old ball joints?

I used a bottom ball joint removal tool. Works extremely well, maybe a minute and the joint is out. IMG_1874r.jpg
The two parts of the tool

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The way it is used. The cylindrical part sits on the swivel pillar, encapsulating the ball joint. The pin with nut removed passes through the central hole protruding between the two bolts. The nut is then refitted, and with the circlip removed, the two bolts are then tightened back and forth. The ball joint pulls out.

Ron.
 
I'm looking to replace the lower ball joints in OCC my sharkstooth 2000 & made a tool up like the one pictured above :)

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This is how it fits (before I welded strengthening pieces to the sides):

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I've tried it on a spare front strut I had & it did this to the ball joint :eek:

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How on earth do I get the rest out now? :hmm:

My 2000 has a bit of play in the o/s & I want to replace both sides' ball joints ideally. However because it has Dunlop brakes, I can't 'just' replace the strut if I get it wrong....
 
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