fuel overflow again

Hi all, sorry to post about issues no doubt covered many times before, but.......
My P6 3500 V8 automatic is running a Facet Red Top electric fuel pump, mounted under the car beneath the rear seat pans, with the reserve tap located nearby. I've driven about 800 miles with that set up, and all seemed fine until a couple of weeks ago, when I noticed drips of fuel from the offside carburettor overflow pipe. At first this was all, a couple of drips. On 3rd May, I did a 60 mile round trip, during which the idle speed started to surge, high then low without any input from me. The low speed, part throttle response was faltering, only clearing with a bigger bootful of throttle. On returning home from that 60 mile drive, and parking in the garage, a sudden torrent of fuel came from the overflow, not just drips, making a patch on the floor 2 feet across.
I disconnected the fuel return line from the carb and blew air through it at about 1 bar, and could hear bubbles in the tank, so I'm assuming the restrictor in the fuel return line fitting at the tank end is unobstructed.
Today (4th May) I started the engine with a bit of clear hose attached to the carb overflow, and initially there was no flow of fuel from the overflow, regardless of revs. However, as the engine warmed up and the temperature gauge needle climbed midway through the green bit on the dial, the fuel started to flow slowly up the overflow. As I had clear pipe attached, I could see that when I increased the revs to about 2500rpm, the fuel in the pipe started to suck back into the carb.
I've read a lot of posts on here about electric pumps needing a pressure regulator (I haven't fitted one yet) as the Facet Red Top puts out about 6 to 8 psi and the SU HIF6 carbs don't like anything more than about 3 psi. So the fuel pressure could be blowing the float valve open, leading to the overflow and surging.
I'm puzzled as to why I've driven so many miles without this being an issue and has suddenly started, and also why the overflow doesn't start immediately, but only when the engine is warm? I should also say that running the pump with the ignition on but the engine not running produces no overflow. If it were a fuel pressure problem, wouldn't the float valve be pushed off its seat straight away regardless of engine running or not or engine temperature?
Before I go ordering a set of new floats and valves, I thought I'd ask here for advice.
(The car is running a standard V8, 10.5:1 compression, with original manifolds and SU HIF6 carburettors).
Thanks in advance for any ideas!
 
from my years of triumph experience the facet is just producing far more PSI than the SU can cope
so i think a regulator is going to be in the wish list
the irregularity is just there to confuse you
you need to dump the excess pressure as a starting job for the bank holiday
Pete
 
from my years of triumph experience the facet is just producing far more PSI than the SU can cope
so i think a regulator is going to be in the wish list
the irregularity is just there to confuse you
you need to dump the excess pressure as a starting job for the bank holiday
Pete
I suspected that might be the case. I've bought a Filter King FPR004 but haven't fitted it yet. Just odd how l drove 800 miles without problems and now the overflow only occurs with a warm engine. Confusing indeed!
 
some thing we suffered on our Triumph years was poor quality fuel hose which when you refit hose to tube it slices
a small sliver of rubber which flaots back and forth in the pump to carb supply and jams the back of the
float needle valve , crafty little sods that breed and hide so the more you mess the more you make
wont get to the float chamber but jam the float control
normally when in best shirt and its raining ha
a quick squirt into a jam jar can catch them
Pete
 
some thing we suffered on our Triumph years was poor quality fuel hose which when you refit hose to tube it slices
a small sliver of rubber which flaots back and forth in the pump to carb supply and jams the back of the
float needle valve , crafty little sods that breed and hide so the more you mess the more you make
wont get to the float chamber but jam the float control
normally when in best shirt and its raining ha
a quick squirt into a jam jar can catch them
Pete
That's something to look out for, definitely!
 
I'm going to fit a regulator now for sure. I've bought a Filter King FPR004, similar to the one in the second link in your post, but with a filter bowl.
 
Air con cars are fitted with a Facet pump from new without regulator. I'd be checking the carb floats and needles before adding extra parts. A leaky float can behave like that.
 
some thing we suffered on our Triumph years was poor quality fuel hose which when you refit hose to tube it slices
a small sliver of rubber which flaots back and forth in the pump to carb supply and jams the back of the
float needle valve , crafty little sods that breed and hide so the more you mess the more you make
wont get to the float chamber but jam the float control
normally when in best shirt and its raining ha
a quick squirt into a jam jar can catch them
Pete

I can echo that about fuel hose because I had the same thing on the RV8 in the Land Rover. Make sure you get a quality hose like Cohline marked SAE J30 R9 or R10, but more importantly from a reputable dealer, who will stand behind it. Not Ebay, if they can counterfeit the hose they can counterfeit the printing.
 
Air con cars are fitted with a Facet pump from new without regulator. I'd be checking the carb floats and needles before adding extra parts. A leaky float can behave like that.
I did wonder about the float. I had the carbs apart in 2024 and the floats were fine, but I appreciate that one could have failed in the 800 or so miles I travelled last year.
 
Air con cars are fitted with a Facet pump from new without regulator. I'd be checking the carb floats and needles before adding extra parts. A leaky float can behave like that.
But what were the rating of those Facets? They were likely sized to the demands of the carbs fitted and might be lower pressure than the one @Graham2755 has fitted which could be a tad high at 6-8 psi ? This one as an example is rated at 4-6 psi.
 
Update: just checked the float on the offending carburettor, and it is indeed perforated and partly filled with petrol. I've ordered a pair of "stay up" floats, but I will probably fit a pressure regulator too to make sure. Maybe.
 
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