CXC 165K For Sale

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jester

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It is with a great sadness and heavy heart that my Rover is up for sale. After a failed restoration and having spent ALOT of money trying to build my ultimate P6 I dont have the time to complete the project myself and after my experience with P6 'Experts', no faith in anyone else to do it. There is a 'build blog' in Spotted cars on this forum with a few photos and some history of the car.
It was apparently used in a Rover Brochure in the earlier 70's and was owned by Virginia Wade!!
The current state of the car is a rolling body which has been completely welded and is structrally sound. The body panels are excellent with both rear wings being NOS. There is a mounting of spares with the car but the original engine and gearbox were stolen many years ago. There arent many of the original parts from the car as they went missing during its failed restoration.
There is a complete 4.2 Rover V8, Modified and rebuilt T5 gearbox, Rebuilt XJS diff, set of Gaz Shocks, uprated and slightly lowered springs, Uprated front anti roll bar, Alloy four pot caliper conversion Plus a complete retrimmed interior in a shade close to mango with ET front and rear headrests (not a Wadhams interior, better)
I am willing to seperate some of the spares but would really like to see CXC restored. If you would like photos please contact me and I will pass them on to you.
ianmack7@hotmail.com
 
Hi

Sorry to hear you are selling.

Is there any chance you may change your mind and keep her?, was looking like she was going to be fantastic when completed.
 
jester said:
P6 'Experts'
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Experts in the true sense of the word are few & far between as is the case with most classic cars, especially among mechanics in today's motor trade.

Don't get me wrong, P6-wise the knowledge & enthusiasm on this forum is boundless, probably the best you'll get & well worth taking notice of. But people that really know the car through the experience of training in the trade & working on thousands of them in the course of daily working life when they were an everyday car can never be supplanted by enthusiasm & weekend hobbyism on one or two examples of the breed. And a true expert needs to be conversant with all aspects of the machine.

That will possibly raise some hackles but it's the truth, though saying that, there are some extremely clever people on here regardless. Trained engineers, electrical wizards & simple can-doer's that love to get stuck in & have a go. Some of the projects tackled here must be amongst the finest in the classic car world & I have great admiration for many of you, originalists & modders alike as I have no qualms myself about modifications if that be your cup of tea. P6 was a great car by design but lends itself to individualism by being such a great template to start from. But not modification if you're just trying to solve an everyday fault in some consumable aspect of the car.

All I suppose I'm saying is that if you love the P6, don't let past experience disillusion you. They really aren't that complicated, especially changing the rear brake pads, which is still a persistent myth despite the years of experience available at the touch of a button. Though it does sound as if heavy modification was the name of the game with CXC. Maybe you should have tried a standard rebuild & taken things from there. Personally, I think that's the route I would have taken with a press car.
 
Be interested to know of your bad experiences jester. No need to name names. I was under the impression the bodywork was done. Was there a major sticking point in the whole project or is it simply a case of over-ambition with regards to the mods?

I really hope the car can be recovered and that you can get some money back.
 
The Rovering Member said:
jester said:
P6 'Experts'
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Experts in the true sense of the word are few & far between as is the case with most classic cars, especially among mechanics in today's motor trade.

Don't get me wrong, P6-wise the knowledge & enthusiasm on this forum is boundless, probably the best you'll get & well worth taking notice of. But people that really know the car through the experience of training in the trade & working on thousands of them in the course of daily working life when they were an everyday car can never be supplanted by enthusiasm & weekend hobbyism on one or two examples of the breed. And a true expert needs to be conversant with all aspects of the machine.

That will possibly raise some hackles but it's the truth, though saying that, there are some extremely clever people on here regardless. Trained engineers, electrical wizards & simple can-doer's that love to get stuck in & have a go. Some of the projects tackled here must be amongst the finest in the classic car world & I have great admiration for many of you, originalists & modders alike as I have no qualms myself about modifications if that be your cup of tea. P6 was a great car by design but lends itself to individualism by being such a great template to start from. But not modification if you're just trying to solve an everyday fault in some consumable aspect of the car.

All I suppose I'm saying is that if you love the P6, don't let past experience disillusion you. They really aren't that complicated, especially changing the rear brake pads, which is still a persistent myth despite the years of experience available at the touch of a button. Though it does sound as if heavy modification was the name of the game with CXC. Maybe you should have tried a standard rebuild & taken things from there. Personally, I think that's the route I would have taken with a press car.
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Thanks for the reply to my post you make some interesting and valid points most of which I agree with. You are right I am completely disillusioned by the whole experience, It was the second time I had trusted a project car with someone else and was let down financially and with their lack of knowledge. Not only did many of the original parts on the car go missing in there possession,the rolling chassis was used as a skip to put unwanted parts etc All i think really happened was ambition far out weighed their talent, they didnt know what to do, but told me they did.
I would love to restore her I have owned her for nearly 12 years now. I have restored several TVR's and motorbikes plus work as an Aircraft Engineer so fall into one of the catergories you describe above. What I dont have is time, that commodity is the most precious. Hence the reason to get a third party involved.
The modifications, to me, are not really heavy and could be easily reversed if need be. I wanted CXC to be my everyday car and looked at the project as a P6 with a modern edge.The new press car! If I can find some storage then I might keep her for when I do have some more time.
 
PeterZRH said:
Be interested to know of your bad experiences jester. No need to name names. I was under the impression the bodywork was done. Was there a major sticking point in the whole project or is it simply a case of over-ambition with regards to the mods?

I really hope the car can be recovered and that you can get some money back.
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I hope my previous post explains some of the issues. If it had of been a standard rebuild I think the people workin on CXC MIGHT have coped. The stumbling block was the diff I think. Telling me they had experience of fabrication fitting modified components into different cars was quite clearly not true. Well, certainly not to a standard that would mean continuing running of the car.
 
I ve just been over CXC to see the condition after its 'restoration' having had many emails regarding her.

Its not that good. The welding in some parts is average, in others, terrible. The wiring loom has been cut in the engine bay, requiring a complete loom replacement. The NOS panels have been damaged as have the bootlid and bonnet. It is very dissappointing. BUT new door seals have been fitted!!!!!??????? (badly)

I will get her up in the air and report further to those who are still interested.
 
pity didnt see this sooner--I would have done car for you--done 3 p6s (2x2000s) 1x3500s)-- much better than mine am doing last bits on a herald at moment- Unfortunately tv and media have hiked up values of classics and everybody thinks its easy money to do a classic==however p6s are a right pain--marmite-- you like them or you don't and they are not the easiest to work on either--
 
symes, Apart from the D-post area is a P6 really "difficult" as such? You can get at everything and there's no tricky double-skinning. What would you consider the problem areas?
 
under windscreen ant top corners too-cant be seen unless roof panel off also under heater and another nasty is rear arch -boot area especially mounts for locating arms on rear end
 
I think you're more likely to get a bite if you show your hand a little in terms of what sort of money you're looking for.... Good luck with the sale. I'm surprised by your experience, but the root of the problem is probably that different specialists are generally good at different bits, eg. engine, or body not both...

RIch.
 
there are some who can do engines and body and paint----all depends where you learn--my dad was an engineer-same as myself--my Grand dad was a coach builder and my mum was a seamstress so I was lucky to help and learn from an early age-now repeated with my Grand daughter who can weld--she is 10 in 2 weeks
I hope all goes well with your sale though
 
rockdemon said:
I think you're more likely to get a bite if you show your hand a little in terms of what sort of money you're looking for.... Good luck with the sale. I'm surprised by your experience, but the root of the problem is probably that different specialists are generally good at different bits, eg. engine, or body not both...

RIch.
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I am a private person and would prefer to discuss any sales and prices with people who are seriously thinking of buying items. I have supplied my email address and have had many emails. So it hasnt proved a problem. I have also received emails discussing the same issues I had with the 'Specialists' it seemsthe misappropriation of parts is the main issue as well as a lack of quality in workmanship. No one is more surprised then me, I trusted them!
 
Your choice obviously - was only a hint that if i was buying i'd never respond to an ad that had no price.

Thank you for not naming the specialist concerned. It is obviously a forum rule not to do so.

If it were me I'd stick with it as you're mostly there, but again it's your choice obviously.

Rich.
 
Post by symes on Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:43 pm

there are some who can do engines and body and paint----
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We fall into this category in that, we don't do paint, but we do body and mechanical repairs and restorations, as well as the parts. We are also involved with experimental works on modern replacements for obsolete parts.
That's said, our painting abilities do extend to baseunits and around door shuts, but our facilities don't lend themselves to doing exterior panels with large areas, but we have still painted a couple of cars, that have been done on extreme budgets, although we have a paint company local to us who we farm works out to ensure quality, and they do an exceptional job.

Anyway, from what you have said I think we could manage what is needed to be done and therefore I would be interested to hear how much you wanted for the car, so please drop me a PM with details, thank you.
 
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