More than one type of door?

J

JC.

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Hi, me again... sorry :p

Well, I have just had a nice set of doors delivered for my R reg P6 3500S.
I am a bit concerned as they appier to have subtle detail differences from what I remember on the car?

The ones that are on the car had opening rear quaterlights - the new set do not open, nor do they have a provision for opening.
The fronts, whilst the quaterlights do open on the new set, they have a little handle on the bottom of the glass with a pushbutton that needs to depress inorder to release the mechanism allowing the quaterlight to open.
The original doors have a little nob on the door card which you rotate which then opens the quaterlight.

Firstly, will these new doors I have bought actually fit my 3500S?
Second, can I transfer the mechanisms across from the original doors to the new shells?

As ever, all advice apriciated. :)

-JC
 
There has been a thread recently about non opening rear quarterlights,apparently they were only fitted for one year. It sounds like you have got mk1 doors, but the frames should transfer, but early door handles are different as well.
This sounds like something where the definitive answer will come from Nick Dunning, he knows all those things off by heart! :D
 
Of course the doors could have had different frames transfered into them in the past !
It is possible to transfer frames between doors, but you will need to be sure that all the fixing/access holes you need are present in the new doors.
Get all the door cards off and have a look.
 
I doubt the replacement doors (mk1?) will have tints so the frames will need changing anyway. And it's always better to spray just the shells, and then try to fit them up without chipping them!
 
If captive nuts and things are not there its not too much trouble to weld in new ones. I was just concerned that these new doors would not fit at all!

Are the seals for the frames easy to get hold of?
 
You were quite "lucky" getting doors to that spec JC! There was a Jan '69 built S1 at the meet on Sunday with fixed rear 1/4 lights. My understanding is that at the time of launch in '63 Rover were still messing around with a through flow ventillation system as subsequently used by Ford on the facelift Mk1 Cortina in '65. T4, the '61 P6 prototype with the gas turbine engine and front wheel drive as intended for the P6 and now to be seen at Gaydon (stand back and wait for the disagreements) has external vents on the rear 1/4 panels as had a fair number of the Talago prototypes. The P7 (P6 with a 3 ltr straight six, pre Buick V8) has slot vents on the rear decker panel very like a mk1 Escort. These external vents go with a triple flap vent on the base unit under the rear 1/4 panel. All production base units have the lumps pressed in, not all have them pierced and flaps fitted. I am not clear when fitting commenced and when it ceased. Certainly the '69 model year had them and threw away the opening 1/4 lights in consequence. So did the Americal model 3500S NADA cars built from '69 throught '70 and just about into '71. In Europe the marketing department seems to have given in to customer preference very quickly and the 1/4 lights returned. My suspicion is that the flaps survived for rather longer. What I'm not clear about is whether there were any "gaps" left in the rear interior trim to allow the interior air to reach the base unit flaps.

Anyway, dint of Ian Wilson's experience on my behalf fitting opening rear 1/4 lights to a set of NADA electric window frames - don't bother! Swap the frames between the doors! As an aside the original design studies and mock ups didn't have the stainless steel frames at all - the windows were frameless single piece without 1/4 lights! While we were putting my NADA back together we had the car in this configuration for a short spell and the change in appearance is quite dramatic. I rather like it! Makes the car look very 50's and American.

At the front the little catches are again an S1 hallmark, replaced by the rotary knobs (same component shared by the Triumph Stag and still available new for that model) for the S2. I can't remember whether an S1 door shell will accept the S2 winder arrangement on an S2 frame; I've a suspicion you need to make another hole; can Ian confirm?

Of course the other big difference is that your S1 doors shouldn't have the stainless steel waist strip, but that's easy to sort.

Chris
 
My stepdad has a mk2 Triumph Stag. I thought the mechanical quaterlight mechanism looked suspiciously familiar!
You are right, there are indeed no finisher strips along the frames.

if you go to ebay number 150032183974
Those are the exact doors that I purchased.
I have seen doors advertised at £75 each in not briliant condition. I paid £250 for them. As much, incidentally. as the whole P6!

I suspected I might have to strip these doors down to bare shells and transfer the bits across. I dont mind doing that if the shells are identical or need no really significant mods to take the later frames, glass and inards.

I had hoped to fit the bits off the new doors to the old shells and try to claim back some of my money to put towards paint and a fibreglass drivers side wing.

Alternatively, if there is anyone that wants to swap the set I have for a set of MK2 doors in equally excelent condition I would be happy to do that.
I would hate to think I am bastardising rare parts, preventing someone else restoring another, more significant car than mine!

-JC
 
JC,
Can I ask please, were these the Tobacco Leaf doors from ebay that were removed because they sold elsewhere???
Regards, Drew ???
 
Not sure.

I bought This set of doors on ebay

If you were bidding, sorry.
They are a lovely set. :)

I will be swapping the frames between the set I have on the car. My original doors will then go on ebay. Hopefully I can recoup some cash to put towards sills and paint.

Im going to play with the car tommorow and thursday... so if you want those early frames and slightly crusty late door shells make me an offer?
To be fair I dont think the doors on my car are that bad... I just cant be bothered to repair when I can replace!

- JC
 
Seems a shame to chop and change what appear to be,
"even though re-skinned" original S1 doors with all its fittings!! could of got n.o.s door skins cheaper!!
I hope somewone can offer you a swap.
I do have a good S2 set of 4 + a couple or 3 other extra ones for bits/spares that need extreemly minor work!! probably less than having to strip,rebuild then repaint yours.
I am near bristol if you wanted to come take a look???

PM me

DAVE
 
The doors are getting stripped anyway as the car is being repainted metalic red or gloss black.
Wont be touching the doors for a while yet as I need to do sills first.

My car is based in wrexham, incidentally.
 
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