Horselogger
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I have a Toyota Yaris. I park the P6 well away from it…
Remember when we thought a P6 was a normal sized car?
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sdibbers
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I see you failed to follow the washing instructions too Mark
sdibbers
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At 55 I need all the new parts I can get!
The Rovering Member
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sdibbers
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I have a double dilemma, both our daily drivers are Saabs. I have no idea what would replace either cars.
The Rovering Member
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Well, l haven't really replaced my P6 other than in a daily capacity & though my 75 is ULEZ compliant at the moment l don't expect it will remain so. 40+ year old Classic's are also exempt so l may have to replace the 75 with a classic. Though in these enviro-communistic days, nothing is certain.
The problem being that it is next to impossible to buy a mid-sized car (C5, Mondeo, Laguna… all gone) from a European manufacturer that is not an SUV-styled monstrosity. Citroen even took the people-carrier styled 3008 and 5008 and turned them into SUVs too.
I don't call them Chelsea Tractors, Tw*tmobile is more apt.
A few years ago a friend who lives in the USA remarked that he'd thought about buying a Mini, but found it so “small” (he appreciated the irony)… I told him to look at the original Minis (if such things exist in the USA!).
sdibbers
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Considering the world is on fire at the moment - we have to do something. However, running a classic is by far the greenest way of running a car. Manufacturing accounts for between 60-70% of carbon emissions during a car's life span. So keeping old metal running and you win on green credentials as well as fun. I don't subscribe to the whole "enviro-communistic" BS. That's down to stupid legislation from, in the UK, a stupid govt, and here in the US, a genuine problem with lack of education. OK, I think I've upset everyone, I'll get on with me day. Lets
talk about cars and not politics.
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The Rovering Member
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While l agree about the stupid legislation & the environmental benefits of repairing stuff rather than making new things, for my part & despite general higher temperatures, l don't subscribe to the 'world on fire' BS. It simply isn't & hasn't been for many millions of years. That's just a strapline for the excitable protester & fawning politician.
I think we can agree that parts of the world are on fire sometimes (very often started deliberately or accidentally by humans) whereas other parts are flooded sometimes & that occurrences of both seem to be increasing in number.
And our summer in the U.K. has been a bit of a washout so far as well.
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Phil Robson
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It is reasonable to me that there has been some "climate change" even during my lifetime (eg: we used to get lots of snow in many winters when I was little 
) & humans have probably contributed to a degree, bearing in mind that there are twice as many of us as there were back then. However, as with most things in life, I think matters are taken out of context to suit causes, agendas & sales/money. Consequently, when you manage to get to the underlying facts, they are often unbelievably far from the publicly perceived position.
There's a middle ground to be had, but that of course doesn't attract the funding, notoriety or kudos that many people want or need. Even a TV 'Climate' correspondent is clearly not going to say "nothing to see here".
For one example of what's been said above about old cars vs. new cars, I particularly find the BMW recycling facilities somewhat comical, if a bit patronising. The premise is that they 'fully' recycle old cars in-house & you can see advertising videos showing the process & therefore just how 'green' BMW are. The thing that astounds me is that there are racks upon racks of 'old' cars to be dismantled, yet they all look perfectly presentable. There will be some part that makes them 'uneconomic' to repair financially, so the whole thing gets recycled using more energy & resources in the process.
Of course they sell more cars this way & I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that manufacturers of most things can plan obsolescence into a product, so that we have to buy more. I understand that the use of plastic piping in car cooling or pressure systems, for example is purposely engineered so that they only go through so many heating & cooling cycles before they fail & are expensive to replace.
15 years or so ago, I remember a Green Party spokesperson commenting on the 1st car scrappage scheme where I expected them to say that it 'was a good idea, but didn't go far enough' (or something similar), but they actually said that it was wrong to imply that cars over 10 years old were life-expired & we should keep them for at least 20 years, because the overall industry energy use would fall by 43%.
Now you don't hear that very often.
) & humans have probably contributed to a degree, bearing in mind that there are twice as many of us as there were back then. However, as with most things in life, I think matters are taken out of context to suit causes, agendas & sales/money. Consequently, when you manage to get to the underlying facts, they are often unbelievably far from the publicly perceived position. There's a middle ground to be had, but that of course doesn't attract the funding, notoriety or kudos that many people want or need. Even a TV 'Climate' correspondent is clearly not going to say "nothing to see here".
For one example of what's been said above about old cars vs. new cars, I particularly find the BMW recycling facilities somewhat comical, if a bit patronising. The premise is that they 'fully' recycle old cars in-house & you can see advertising videos showing the process & therefore just how 'green' BMW are. The thing that astounds me is that there are racks upon racks of 'old' cars to be dismantled, yet they all look perfectly presentable. There will be some part that makes them 'uneconomic' to repair financially, so the whole thing gets recycled using more energy & resources in the process.
Of course they sell more cars this way & I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that manufacturers of most things can plan obsolescence into a product, so that we have to buy more. I understand that the use of plastic piping in car cooling or pressure systems, for example is purposely engineered so that they only go through so many heating & cooling cycles before they fail & are expensive to replace.
15 years or so ago, I remember a Green Party spokesperson commenting on the 1st car scrappage scheme where I expected them to say that it 'was a good idea, but didn't go far enough' (or something similar), but they actually said that it was wrong to imply that cars over 10 years old were life-expired & we should keep them for at least 20 years, because the overall industry energy use would fall by 43%.
Now you don't hear that very often.
sdibbers
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Exactly my point.
Can we now go back to talking cars and steer away from politics please?
The Rovering Member
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Well Phil's post is chiefly about cars & you can't escape the car/politics connection but l have no objections to your request.
Yes, today's cars are very big.
Yes, today's cars are very big.
sdibbers
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They do and I race one
