3161 mile only Rover 2000SC For sale

MarkGray

MarkGray

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I have just listed the following 1971 Series 2 2000SC in Brigade Red on the RP6C Website at
http://www.p6club.com/node/295

The car has a guenuine 3161 mile son the clock and has all but 2 of its MOT certificates with it and has been continuously taxed all of its life from 1/11/1971 to date, in fact until end Dec 2010. The car is mot'd until 2/1/2011. It comes with a personal plate which is worth over £2k

A real sweetie with a one only, very careful Lady owner
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That is just incredible, although I have to ask, how does it pass the MOT with the orginal tyre in the boot? I thought they have a kind of 'use by date' on them???
I really hope who ever buys it get's it featured in a mag, it's an amazing find what ever the make the car is.

Does happen, I remeber when I was a mechanic (about 20 years ago) we used to service an old couples (very clapped out) Lada. They had in the garage a Mk2 console that they only used to go on holiday in. Can't remeber the milage but was very low. It still had the plastic covers on the seats from the factory. Like new it was.
 
richarduk said:
although I have to ask, how does it pass the MOT with the orginal tyre in the boot? I thought they have a kind of 'use by date' on them???
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Because the spare tyre isn't part of the MOT, matey!
 
One of the guys over on the 800 forum just bought a 20 year old Sterling with just 54 miles on the clock ! :shock:
 
"The car is in Yorkshire"

Oooh, I'm resisting the temptation to go for a look, the Boss keeps saying we need a new car, not quite sure this is what she had in mind :LOL:
 
I thought that if a spare tyre was in the car then it had to be legal to pass the mot?!!!
Mot guys very rarely look at the date on the tyres anyway only the condition they are in.
Being mot legal doesnt mean they are safe to drive on! :wink:
 
pilkie said:
I thought that if a spare tyre was in the car then it had to be legal to pass the mot?!!!
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No, it's not part of the test, but if the spare is bald, you can collect your £60 fine and 3 points as you leave the test station in possession of your new MOT. Tyres in 1971 didn't have date stamps either.
 
harveyp6 said:
pilkie said:
I thought that if a spare tyre was in the car then it had to be legal to pass the mot?!!!
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No, it's not part of the test, but if the spare is bald, you can collect your £60 fine and 3 points as you leave the test station in possession of your new MOT. Tyres in 1971 didn't have date stamps either.
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well I'll be blowed. Just did a bit of googling and you're right. Not part of the MOT. When I put mine throw it's first MOT after it's enforced lay off I had all the tyres done. One was the wrong size! :shock: But got talking to the owner he was saying with modern dated types they have to cut them before disposal if they go out of date on the shelf so they can't be used. Not very green........
 
harveyp6 said:
pilkie said:
I thought that if a spare tyre was in the car then it had to be legal to pass the mot?!!!
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No, it's not part of the test, but if the spare is bald, you can collect your £60 fine and 3 points as you leave the test station in possession of your new MOT. Tyres in 1971 didn't have date stamps either.
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From what I hear all the tyres on the car are original. The spare wheel has not been moved since the car was built.

My 1964 car, when I first got her, was wearing Michelin tyres that were apparently at least 30 years old (the car's second set). I didn't realise and drove her around a lot (including a fair amount of very high speed work) until it was pointed out. Changed them immediately.

My 2200, when initially recovered, was wearing her original Centauratos. 17k miles and 32 years old at that point. Never attempted to drive on them!
 
The spare doesn't need to be legal at all, nor do you need to carry one, it only becomes an offence if you fit it and try to drive with it.

I've been in an mgb when an old tyre (with very good tread) exploded, at about 90mph, lets just say I didn't wear those pants again :LOL:
I also had an old tyre explode on my current project, I had only fitted it to move the car around in the garage but it exploded when I pumped it up. Old tyres are definately a liability.
 
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The spare doesn't need to be legal at all, nor do you need to carry one, it only becomes an offence if you fit it and try to drive with it.
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I don't think that's right. You don't have to carry a spare, but if you do it must be legal, because the presumption is that if you have one and you need it you will use it.
 
I'm still not sure that's correct, and I wouldn't take the chance, and after the thousands of mis-diagnosis by the AA I'm not sure their legal advice would be any better, but I'll put it to bed here. From what they say you can't submit a space saver spare on the car for the MOT as it 's a different size, and I'm not sure about that one either, I know they're a different size, so don't comply with the test requirements, or C&U regs, but TBH I think C&U get disregarded whenever it suits them. As soon as you fit a space saver the car is illegal......
 
The official word from 'The Fuzz' (My mate who's a sergeant) is.... ready?

Yes - "Technically" if your spare is illegal by being bald, you could in theory get 3 points. If it's very old but with tread, it is technically legal for the purposes of a roadside check.

The disclaimer, and where we should not worry is - No cop is going to do you just for that, unless you were being a t**t or arrogant and he was looking for a way to book you for something anyway. If that was the case he'd probably book you for something more constructive... For this reason. It is entirely impractical to enforce a legal spare tyre. What if your tyre blew out to smithereens one day on run? Are you expected to leave that tyre and wheel on the side of the road? No, you put it in the spare tyre space, and until such a time as you can get that blown out tyre replaced, your 'spare' is illegal, technically. Highly impractical. Also there is a very grey line between what is considered to be a spare tyre and an inconsequential load. You might just be carrying that illegal spare tyre around until you can get it to a recycling centre?

So there you have it, the official line from a hard-nosed notts traffic cop is. If you're driving sensibly and aren't winding the police up, they are not really bothered about checking. His personal opinion was, use your head as to what you carry as a spare and whether you think it'll get you home safely... but if you put it on the car, it's got to be legal! ;-)
 
To be honest from experience, I'm more inclined to believe the AA than a copper, but as Harvey says we'll leave it there, either way there's not much point carrying a spare that you can't use. :LOL:
 
Just to add confusion to the debate. My VVC has an Avon spare wheel in the boot which has been there since March 1977. It is the only remaining tyre from when the car was built and has never touched the road. It is therefore effectly a New 33 year old tyre which is not cracked or split but it is date coded. But I would never dream of actually using it because of its age, so VVC also has a spare on the boot lid which is a great deal younger in age, just in case I ever need to change a tyre.

Now I have spoken to our local traffic cops and our MOT man and both said that the condition of the spare is not a subject for the MOT and therefore can not be cause to fail an MOT. Also our local traffic cops added that it only becomes an offense when you fit the spare [or if they want to be awkward with you, if you intend to fit the spare]. The problem is, once on the road with a defective spare wheel in the boot, how do you prove that you are not intending to fit it?

Anyway, the low mileage 2000SC has got its original set of tyres in place and they look good for their age (39 years) but I must admit I would be very dubious about taking her far on them. I certainly wouldn't consider anything above 50mph, which incidentally is the top speed which most space savers are rated at. Incidentally, again talking to our local boys in blue, if the speed rating of a space saver is 50mph and you are doing 70mph, you are more than likely going to get a ticket so beware!
Anyway, the law says:-
You are not, required to carry a spare. Nor does it have to satisfy all the tyre condition rules if you do have one – but if it is used, it must then pass all the laws relating to the other tyres such as tread depth (1.6mm), condition and use. This includes suitability of construction, load and speed ratings as well as pressures suitable for the total vehicle weight.
Space savers should only be considered to be suitable if supplied as original equipment.
 
Above is exactly how I understood the rules :)
Who can prove even with a bald spare showing wires that you weren't going to phone a recovery company? :wink:

I did take the 1.6mm rule to task once as I was given a ticket for a feathered edge once which was legal, unlike the 1.0mm rule used to be across the whole tyre, you only needed 1.6mm over 75% as long as tread pattern was still visible.
I was waiting for pay day :oops: Took me ages to get the court case dropped :roll:

I still don't get why space savers are allowed TBH :|
 
What does a powerful front wheel drive car handle like with a space saver on the front wheels ?
Scary ,I should think
 
I think the idea is you put the space saver on the back. More to the point
if you have a powerful rear wheel drive car which end do you put the wheel?
I know they're speed limited but even so!!
 
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