Alloy wheels yet again - This is becoming an obsession

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alimorg

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Hi All,
You must be bored of this by now, but I think I may have found another source of alloys, the original Morgan Plus eight may have had a 5x5 stud patern, I have contacted morgan to find out and will let you all know when I have an answer. These would in my opinion look great on a P6 as they have a classic alloy look, also this means that you may be able to fit morgan wires for those of you who like that sort of thing. Whilst trying to confirm this I also found this list of vehicles with a 5x5" stud pattern

Austin-Healy 3000
BMC 1800 1964-1967
BMC 1800 1968 onwards
Buick All (Except skylark ,Special ,Century ,Gran Sport) 1935-1975
Buick Electra 64-85 1964-1985
Buick Electra, LeSabre, Riviera, (most fullsize) 1935-1987
Buick LeSabre, Centurion, Riviera, Electra
Buick Riviera 64-78 1964-1978
Cadillac Deville ,Fleetwood 1935-1959 & 1968-1985
Cadillac DeVille, Fleetwood 1938-1989
Cadillac SeVille 1977-1979
Chevrolet Belair ,Biscayne ,Caprice ,Impala ,Kingswood 1971-1976
Chevrolet Belair ,Biscayne ,Caprice ,Impala ,Kingswood with heavy duty package 1977-1986
Chevrolet 3/4 ton vans
Chevrolet Astro Van 1985-1990
Chevrolet Bel Air HD SW 1977-1987
Chevrolet Biscayne SW 1977-1987
Chevrolet Blazer (full size 2 wheel drive) 71-86 1971-1986
Chevrolet Blazer 2WD 1971-1983
Chevrolet C-20, E-10 Truck 1971-1988
Chevrolet Caprice 1971-1976
Chevrolet Caprice SW 1977-1990
Chevrolet HD package wagons 1977-1989
Chevrolet Impala 1971-1976
Chevrolet Impala SW 1977-1987
Chrysler Imperial 1967-1975
Ford Custom 1973-1978
Ford Galaxie, Custom,LTD,XL,Truck&van 73-78 1973-1978
Ford LTD 1973-1975
Ford Thunderbird 1972-1976
GMC G-10, P-10 1971-1987
GMC G-100, G-1500 1971-1987
GMC G-20, G-2500 1971-1987
Jeep Grand Cherokee 1999 onwards
Lincoln All (except Versailles) 1958-1969 & 1973-1979
Lincon Continental 1973-1979
Lincon Mark 1973-1979
Lincon Town Car 1973-1979
Mercury all 1955-1960
Mercury Cougar XR-7 1973-1977
Mercury Marquis 1973-1978
Mercury Meteor 1973-1978
Mercury Montclair 1973-1978
Mercury Monterey 1973-1978
Mercury Park Lane 1973-1978
Oldsmobile All (Except for Jetstar 88, F85, Cutlass, 442) 1948-1976
Oldsmobile all full size 1940-1987
Packard all 1951-1955
Pontiac All (Except for Firebird, Trans Am, GTO, Lemans, Tempest, Grand Prix) 1948-1976
Pontiac all full size 1940-1986

Hope this helps
Cheers
AL
 
Hi Al - bored with the subject of custom wheels for a P6? - can't say I'm familiar with that concept!!
Whilst I can see the value in using another car makers wheels to "customise" a P6 economically has anyone in the club had something wild and extravagant done like commisioning a set of 3 piece light weight billet wheels from Superlite's?
http://www.superlite-wheels.com/wheelpage.asp?cat=1
They look the dogs whatsits and at around £1200 for a set of four - a bargain (ahem!).
I've yet to check the dimensions but by going bigger diameter (like 17 inch??) you would clear the suspension arms at the back and therefore fit wheels with a greater back space(?) to get max width. You could go for matching but skinnier wheels at the front so that you could actually steer (no power steering on my car.
Anyone done it? - if so please lets see the results and keep the inspiration going!
Cheers
Barry
 
Hi Barry,
Steer well clear of Superlight UK, look HERE for the reasons.
I currently run 16" Grand Cherokee alloys on my P6, they are 7" wide and have no clearance problems when running 205/50R16 tyres, I cannot see why the 17" rims would not fit either (although you will need to put spacers on the front to clear the suspension leg) Lots of companies out there can supply wheels for the grand Cherokee, so you might find some decent looking stuff for a lot less than £1200
Cheers
AL
 
Hi Ali - phew - thanks for the warning - it's incredible that people can get away with that sort of thing. Have you got any photo's of your car on this site with the Cherokee wheels? - I'd be interested to see how they look.
Cheers
Barry
 
Thanks Al - they look great - it's amazing how the look of a wheel changes so much just by putting a lower profile tyre on it! I note your point re using 55 aspect ratio tyres - I only have the 2000sc so don't need to make it go any slower! Well they should be taking the car away imminently to get her roadworthy - then the fun can begin.
Thanks again for your help.
Cheers
Barry
 
Hi Al - well the garage phoned to say they had had a good look under the car and they were very impressed with the rust free condition so it's go ahead time for the recommisioning of the old girl. I'm still agonising over wheels and have now come to the decision that I can't just get a set of Jensen / Jeep wheels etc as I do not have power steering and putting 7 inch wide wheels on the front is a no no. So back to aftermarket wheels. Compomotive offer wheels with a variety of offsets etc so am looking at 16 inch diameter wheels - 7 inch wide at the back and 5.5 inch wide at the front. I will just use suitable aspect ratio tyres to keep the rolling diameter the same all round so I only need carry one spare.
So the question is - As your jeep wheels seem to fit perfectly at the back of your car do you know what backspacing they are (ie from rear rim to mounting face of hub).
Regards
Barry
 
Hi Richard - I don't think power steering is a viable option on a 2000sc automatic - it goes slow enough as it is!! I would end up with an inversly proportional "looks to action" ratio - ie it would look like it was doing 60 standing still but wouldn't actually do 60!
Also I'm part of the "Keep it simple" school of thought. But thanks for the suggestion as it's always good to explore every angle.
 
I suppose a simple solution is to get an even bigger stearing wheel !, not that they're already huge.

Richard
 
Hi Barry,
I can't remember the back spacing off the top of my head, I have a spare in the shed I will dig it out over the weekend and give it a measure
Cheers
Al
P.S. To find the correct rolling radius I have found this site to be very useful:
Chris Longhursts wheel and tyre Bible According to this the tyres I am currently running are 6% too small (205/50R16) and to get an exact match I should be running 205/60R16
 
Thanks Al that would be great.
The reason I'm being such a pest is that I thought I had sussed this wheel dimention stuff but in another topic heading you once mentioned your Cherokee wheels had an ET of 37. Now given that the Cherokee wheels are 7 inches wide (178mm) that would give you a backspacing of 127mm or 5 inches - which - again on another topic heading - would appear to be the standard back spacing of a P6V8 wheel. And if that is the case why did you need to fit spacers to the front to clear the suspension?????
I am likely to be buying aftermarket wheels as I want slimmer wheels at the front to keep the steering lightish and I don't want to spend loads on them and find they dont fit!! I aprticularly like the way the Cherokee wheels fill out the rear arches and want to get my wheels to be the same.
Cheers
 
Barry I too have an 2000sc auto and it does appear to be slow - but during a trip to le mans it was amazing to see how (in drive) we managed to keep up with a modern 1.9D, out dragging it on the hills, and the 3.0L VW Camper well we soon left it well behind! - also my speedo checked with a GPS speed thingy last year read FAST up to about 35MPH, but then by the time its reading 65 I'm actually doing a real 75!

They do feel slow - but in reality not that bad (mind you the 2 V8's I have leave it for dead !)
 
Hey you need to be carefull with that speedo issue !, I think its about time there were speedo calibration stations, or it was part of the MOT, you would have a nightmare of a job convincing a judge that the speedo said 70 !

Richard
 
There's an absolutely super tyres to wheels to engine revs to final drive ratios calculator at http://www.roversd1.nl/sd1web/ then click on "bodyshell" then on "driveline calc".

Then, once you know your speedo error, http://www.jdo1.com/ ought to be able to help put it right. This site also has a manual calculator for speedo error (as in push the car and count the rotations)

Hope that helps all those with a penchant for non standard wheels and tyres.

Regards

Chris York
 
Hi folks - this site is great for seeing all the different view points on a car and the P6 has got to have the greatest range of enthusiasts ever - I should imagine from the "I've owned her from new and she's my beauty" to the younger "where else can you get such lovely V8 power for such a small amount of money"!
"SCAUTO" - don't worry I'm not bothered about the speed as such as I'm a very sad guy who loves the car as it's built like nothing else - I love the way it bolts together, the leather interior, the way the quarter lights open, a reserve fuel tank, a strip speedo and that clunk of the door when it closes - no modern car can come close!
Unfortunately I don't want to look older than my years (what mid life chrisis??!!) so wheels have got to be the way to go give the old girl a "face lift"!! This will all happen when time and money allow but it's nice to plan ahead. Glad to hear you went to Le Mans in your car - this is something else I want to do in the not too distant future.
As for Chris York - where do you find these web sites??!!! - I'm afraid I'm a total ludite when it comes to compooters.
Anyway thanks for the enthusiasm - its good stuff!
 
Hi All,
Using a straight edge and a tape measure I calculate that the backsacing on a jeep Grand cherokee alloy wheel is 6 inches
Cheers
Al
 
Thanks for that Al. Gradually building up a definitive wheel reference. Atleast that explains why they fouled the front!!
Cheers
Barry
 
Barry
its only acceleration we lack - my car has some harmoics at an idicated 70 but smooths right out by the time we are doing 80 ( Motorway Sunday) on way to classic car show - arnt moggy minors slow! :D
Feels like we could sit at that speed all day, or at least until a big hill appears!
 
Hi All,
Friday afternoon is here, I was a bit bored so was having a look at alloy wheels for my beetle. Now bear with me, there are a multitude of adaptors for beetles to enable the fitment of other wheels (porsche is a popular one) so what I hae done is drawn up an adapter to fit Alloy wheels with a PCD of 5x112 to the hubs of a P6:
adaptorLR.jpg

I chose 5x112 as its quite a popular fitment (Audi, VW, Mercedes, some fords, some seats) so the list of available wheels is quite long, but I especially like the stuff you can get for the vw T25 vans:
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and a host of otheres.

For a larger version of the above image CLICK HERE
Cheers
AL
 
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