Bolt on Fuel Injection

Holley had a product called "Dial-a-Jet", for carburetors, in the late 70's, early 80's that used solenoids to adjust the primary +secondary air/fuel ratios + fuel metering blocks from switches you installed on the dash Very favorably reviewed by Hot Rod + other magazines + worked like a charm apparently; unfortunately this just didn't sell in any quantity + Holley promptly obsoleted their product + didn't supply parts or support for it thereafter, effectively leaving what customers had bought the system high and dry

If that fuel injection product hasn't been out long the same thing might happen ( ! )

I'd be inclined to get (eg) a 4.0L Range Rover heads/inlet/air sensor/loom/ECU + use Megasquirt which is a known quantity and has plenty of forums + blogs to support it, eg:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/megasquirt_uk/

http://www.megamanual.com/v22manual/mintro.htm#group

http://www.msefi.com/index.php

Even an I-Phone app. under development that uses a WiFi-RS232 connector, which looks v. "James Bond" ( Tune + map your injection off your 'phone )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MhNojpF4qKQ

+ just to be even more of a "wet blanket": California Air Resources Board ( CARB, isn't that a charming acronym? :mrgreen: Offices at the corner of Dellorto + Weber! ) are very strict with DOT advisories of what mods. can be done; typically products that are CARB approved are SEMA labeled as such for the SoCal market; so you might want to change things from Stock after Wild Rover has passed (his/her) smog check

There's nothing on Holleys site to indicate that injection system is CARB approved, so you can bet it isn't

Have fun in the sun!

GW
 
Graham,

Thanks as ever for all the input. I have seen these used on a lot of older classic yank V8s - there is a series of TV shows, Muscle Car, Horsepower etc. and they seem quite fond of throwing these on their projects and restos. I know you guys get a lot of these shows as I have seen references to "Overhaulin'" - just don't know if these ones have escaped from the US. Speaking of Overhaulin - my powder coat guy does stuff for Chip Foose, or he's near Chip, or he has met Chip, or somebody once told him about Chip... anyhoo

As for the dreaded CARB, God love them, but dear old Wild Rover don't need no stinkin' smog - as a pre '74 he's good to go without all them pesky requirements like catalytic converters or biennial smog checks :twisted:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQZqxt1A3LA&feature=fvwrel

Yeah, I see what you mean, but hotrodding is like Jazz; apart from a handful of names
( eg: Carroll Shelby, Helen Merrill ) the Greats have all gone...

The Foss car looks like a less-than-elegant rehash of the Miller Golden submarine racer, nearly a century old..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCnMytSqC4

I met Arlen Ness at a show in Yokohama + saw Miles Davis in concert in '88; anyone worth a damn is already dead ( or well on the way ) :roll:

So you can do ANYTHING to your Pre-'74 Rover ( ? ) Lucky you!

GW
 
I saw the Golden Submarine in the Goodwood pits some years back. Very nice, you could get right in & stand next to the cars, got some photos somewhere.
I'm not really a fan of 'Overhaulin'. They bin every part of the cars except the shell in most cases. :roll:
 
A couple of the ones I've seen recently have been more like restorations, nothing more than the obligatory big alloys.

In terms of this efi system, it's not exactly a performance system is it, effectively it's a single point system, and I'm sure it isn't cheap, you'd be much better with the proper multipoint setup off a range rover etc, and controlled with the megasquirt just like GW suggests.
 
I see megasquirt as a bit crude, why not find a four barrel manifold and then use something from a company like efihardware.com?

http://www.efihardware.com/

Australia leads the way in aftermarket efi computers, something like a microtech, autronic or even a motec would be easy to adapt, you just have to find someone with a dyno or a long empty road to get it tuned.
 
I suppose I'm always thinking of the most cost effective solution, standard rover injection manifold and throttle body will be easy and cheap to get, megasquirt is just about the cheapest system available, short of just running the stock rover ecu.

Ideally you'd have 8 individual throttle bodies and trumpets etc... and a top end £1000 ecu, but it would probably be overkill.

I designed and built my own ecu, quite a while ago now, and ran my old 2.2tc on it up until I scrapped the car. Family got in the way of further development, it's amazing how much time it takes to do this stuff.

I've long considered building "Injection SU's", bore out and sleave the SU and fit a single injector in the top under piston cover, also a coil pack in the shape of a dizzy cap, or built into a dummy dizzy, and you've got full management that looks virtually standard.
 
I must say I'd like to see a 2.2TC running four throttle bodies.

I don't really see the point of this Holley system. There isn't enough space between the injection point and where the air splits to go to the individual cylinders to achieve good mixing. So you get all the drawbacks of carburettors, plus you have some electronics to programme that you didn't have before. No thanks.

Chris
 
My tuppence worth; So you want some Holley bits under the hood? I've had great results i.e. vastly improved throttle response and many complimentary remarks when the bonnet was open at shows using the tried and tested Holley 390cfm 4-barrel carb on an Edelbrock Performer intake manifold (also available in a polished finish), in combination with a 'fast road' Kent camshaft and 'block hugger' tubular exhaust manifolds. No electrickery, and the set-up certainly made old NKT leave traffic lights like the proverbial off a shovel, and left more than a few South London 'Chavs' in souped up 'hot hatches' standing still and looking fairly suprised and gutted in my wake! Dress it up with a big round K&N air filter, the 'pancake' type which also ingests air through the top as well as the sides, and some matching little K&B breathers on those shiny polished valve covers (Ooh err! Nice!!). Fuel economy wasn't improved, however, but then we don't drive V8s to save money, eh fellas? Doubtless someone will soon contribute the opinion that the Edelbrock 4-barrel is better than the old Holley 390, I can only speak from experience. Still want to be different? I know a chap in San Diego with a set of biiiig billet alloy Boyd Coddington rims that'd fit your whip. But then, you've already got Magstars, so why not just choose a unique paint colour for the exterior. Uh-oh, upsetting the purists I guess.
 
mrtask said:
My tuppence worth; So you want some Holley bits under the hood? I've had great results i.e. vastly improved throttle response and many complimentary remarks when the bonnet was open at shows using the tried and tested Holley 390cfm 4-barrel carb on an Edelbrock Performer intake manifold (also available in a polished finish), in combination with a 'fast road' Kent camshaft and 'block hugger' tubular exhaust manifolds.
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what brand were the block hugger manifolds? Did you have to do any body modifications to get them to fit?

With Richard's idea - I wasn't having a go at your idea of megasquirt either by the way, I should have said that there are loads of inexpensive aftermarket ecu's around in Australia that pop up on ebay - ideally you'd get something like a microtech with a hand controller and outputs for an electric fan etc.

What a lot of the rotary guys do here in Aus is use a weber manifold with an EFI hardware injection setup that looks like a 48IDA carb, but has injectors, fuel rail etc added on. They work a treat. Four of those on an injection manifold would be nice!
 
I suspect the Holley TBi is intended for the muscle car market. The advantage would be that you can install it with the minimum of mods, keep your factory 4 barrel manifold and hide it all under your stock air cleaner but gain a fair degree of economy and be able to tune it for emissions too.
 
webmaster said:
I suppose I'm always thinking of the most cost effective solution, standard rover injection manifold and throttle body will be easy and cheap to get, megasquirt is just about the cheapest system available, short of just running the stock rover ecu.

Ideally you'd have 8 individual throttle bodies and trumpets etc... and a top end £1000 ecu, but it would probably be overkill.

I designed and built my own ecu, quite a while ago now, and ran my old 2.2tc on it up until I scrapped the car. Family got in the way of further development, it's amazing how much time it takes to do this stuff.

I've long considered building "Injection SU's", bore out and sleave the SU and fit a single injector in the top under piston cover, also a coil pack in the shape of a dizzy cap, or built into a dummy dizzy, and you've got full management that looks virtually standard.
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Hi,

I have no experience of these guys at all so this is not a recommendation but I did look into "hidden EFI" a while back and turned up these guys on the Web, might still do it someday but it's one thing on a very long list!!!! On the Megasquirt, I actually built a couple, an early fuel only version and then a later one that did ignition as well, sold both on without ever using them in anger, I think I'd go Emerald or the likes if I went this way. The prices of these aftermarket ECUs are now very competitive and I think the MS only really makes sense if you truly want to "Do it Yourself" the money savings, I believe, would be minimal all things considered.

Thanks, Tim

http://www.pattonmachine.com/
 
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