suffolkpete
Member
My reading was that although the cut-off date is updated every January, it doesn't take effect until April 1, a strange way of doing it though.stina said:
Budget news on car tax exemption!!
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my brother worked up Whitehall for a while dealing with ministers and policies and the millions they waste on bright ideas only to be changed is unbelievable, I think this will last for a couple of years and then be stopped like last time, the same as all these cars that are cheap to tax or zero tax, if we all started driving them they would soon change the price.
testrider
Active Member
The difference this time is that it's a 40 year old rolling exemption rather than the 25 year old rolling exemption that it was before, so far fewer cars will be eligible and it's more likely to stay in place. A rolling 25 year exemption like they used to have would have seen huge numbers of old cars kept on the road rather than scrapped and replaced - the roads would be full of Sierras and Cavaliers! :shock:
D16PJM said:
That reminds me of the very interesting documentary about the all-British TSR-2 jet fighter from the 60s. Nearly 200 million pounds was spent in research and development. There were two prototype TSR-2s, but only one that had been trialled with great success. A general election followed by a new Labour government(see a pattern forming here?)and an obligation for Britain to invest in the American F-111 instead, sadly, put an abrupt end to the TSR-2.
So the question is: can we trust the current government to keep the half-hearted 'rolling exemption' on going, and vote them in for another go, or go for a fresh start with Labour and see history repeating itself again? It's a tough one...
i'm quite happy with the tax exemption.
if its a case of having it or not having it then i'll have it!
its one of the few policies that i felt in my pocket
all parties do stupid things but if one party gives me £200 odd quid and one party takes it away again then i'd not be impressed with the 2nd party.
scrapping the 25 year exemption was flipping mean!
if its a case of having it or not having it then i'll have it!
its one of the few policies that i felt in my pocket
all parties do stupid things but if one party gives me £200 odd quid and one party takes it away again then i'd not be impressed with the 2nd party.
scrapping the 25 year exemption was flipping mean!
The Rovering Member
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D16PJM said:
I think it's just the human condition (or at least 'British'). People with unfettered access to other peoples money will not treat it as carefully as they might treat their own & just indulge in the wildest flights of fancy without regard to whether it will work in the real world.
In regards to contracts, all kinds of companies run rings around the cossetted & insulated people in charge of our funds. Especially the IT firms who are hired to put these massive computer systems in place. If they say they can do it & then fail, why the hell do the Government pay up anyway rather than let them take the hit financially? If they go to the wall because of it, tough! If you can't do the job, don't say you can. Not that I agree with all this stuff being solely kept on electrical media anyway.
No good will come of it, mark my words.
torinouk
Member
sowen said:
Shuuusssh! Don't go giving them ideas. :shock:
Had my tax renewal for my 73 (which runs out at the end of March) come through the post a couple of weeks ago. The reminder said they wanted £225 for the year! So I rang up the DVLA and explained it should now qualify for tax exemption. They told me that I had to fill in the V5 taxation class with the word Historic, and send it to them along with MOT certificate and a completed V10 form. They will hopefully then send me back a new log book along with a new tax disc.
torinouk said:
I very much doubt the current coalition would be a threat to the classic car movement, as they've re-instated the rolling exemption and halting the fuel duty rise, though I would be very wary of Labour when they next get in, going by what Blair/Brown etc were doing.
There's already restrictions on usage in Central London. If it can work there, then any green-party would be likely to want to extend similar restrictions elsewhere in the country, and some European countries already have restrictions already in place so it's not like it could never happen.
to my mind it's fair to require new vehicles to have a standard they have to meet. Also if commercial vehicles are having an adverse impact it's fair to legislate that this should be 'fixed'. What I don't like is this idea that only brand new vehicles can be made 'green'. It should be made mandatory in my opinion that all new cars should have a set of common mounting points for engines and drive train so that vehicles can be retrospectively upgraded with parts from any manufacturer. As it is currently a load of vans and taxis are being driven off the roads with new vehicles being made to replace them. There's enough of them that an engine/gearbox upgrade is a worthwhile thing for everybody except the vehicle manufacturers.
colnerov
Well-Known Member
Hi, it's a nice idea Richard, but we are part way there already and it isn't happening.
Rather than car makers having common mountings for engines, because engine design
is so costly they either collaborate on engines or buy engines off the shelf, so the common
engine pick ups for mounts are already in place on the engine.
I presume, when you say vans and taxis are being forced off the road, you mean Transport
for Londons proposed policy of having no vehicles older than 2005 in central London. We are
therefore talking about 9 year old vehicles and in our 'throwaway' society lots of people
consider that a disposable item and wouldn't spend money on a new engine they would go and
buy a new car. As far as vans and taxis are concerned they are usually company vehicles and
because of tax reasons and their working life have a 'life' of about 5-7 years for conventional
vehicles and 8-10 for specialist vehicles.
As far as the 25 or 40 year divide is concerned I don't think a lot of modern cars will make it
because they are too complicated and costly to repair and also in part to the scrappage schemes
which have cleared a lot of cars off the streets. When was the last time you saw a Cavalier or
Sierra on the road?
Colin
Rather than car makers having common mountings for engines, because engine design
is so costly they either collaborate on engines or buy engines off the shelf, so the common
engine pick ups for mounts are already in place on the engine.
I presume, when you say vans and taxis are being forced off the road, you mean Transport
for Londons proposed policy of having no vehicles older than 2005 in central London. We are
therefore talking about 9 year old vehicles and in our 'throwaway' society lots of people
consider that a disposable item and wouldn't spend money on a new engine they would go and
buy a new car. As far as vans and taxis are concerned they are usually company vehicles and
because of tax reasons and their working life have a 'life' of about 5-7 years for conventional
vehicles and 8-10 for specialist vehicles.
As far as the 25 or 40 year divide is concerned I don't think a lot of modern cars will make it
because they are too complicated and costly to repair and also in part to the scrappage schemes
which have cleared a lot of cars off the streets. When was the last time you saw a Cavalier or
Sierra on the road?
Colin
Willy Eckerslyke
Well-Known Member
I've a feeling that manufacturers are working towards a world where new cars are leased rather than owned, so the length of life of a vehicle becomes irrelevant. It'll simply be exchanged for a newer one according to the agreement.
