Custom P6
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Holy cow...!!! I'm not one for modified motors but that looks sensational... If anybody could do this justice it would've been Boyd Coddington, it's a great shame he passed away, I too only found out this week...! Anyhow, superb coupe...!
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jolly good drawing.
Not mine :wink:
I found it on a forum a while ago, as two magazine two page spreads, then spliced it together in paintshop and it got lost on my old computer. I have the hi res images somewhere on my other computer. From memory it was in an Australian Street Machine magazine? There were a few details that went with it which I removed to clean up the two images, just need to find an A3 sized laminator to hang it on the garage wall :roll:
They just go to show how much hidden potential the lines of the p6 has.
To be honest, it is so tempting to actually build something like those using one of the 2000sc's we've got in the garden, as a sort of custom/lowrider inspired project car.
I found it on a forum a while ago, as two magazine two page spreads, then spliced it together in paintshop and it got lost on my old computer. I have the hi res images somewhere on my other computer. From memory it was in an Australian Street Machine magazine? There were a few details that went with it which I removed to clean up the two images, just need to find an A3 sized laminator to hang it on the garage wall :roll:
They just go to show how much hidden potential the lines of the p6 has.
To be honest, it is so tempting to actually build something like those using one of the 2000sc's we've got in the garden, as a sort of custom/lowrider inspired project car.
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Looking at the yellow one, there is a staggering amount of modifications required to produce that shape, for instance it looks like the "fins" on the rear wings are taller at the ends. Next, it looks like most of the top moulding that runs from the bonnet to the boot lid has been lost. Then there's the roof, looks like a chop and greater rake on the front and rear screens, no front quarter lights, you'd probably need a full set of custom glass, also looks like the roof has been narrowed to give more slope to the side windows.
I'm not saying it's impossible, nothing is, but you'd need a boat load of time and all the skills of Boyd's crew ! Not to mention another boat load of cash.
For comparison here's a Graber coupe.
I'm not saying it's impossible, nothing is, but you'd need a boat load of time and all the skills of Boyd's crew ! Not to mention another boat load of cash.
For comparison here's a Graber coupe.
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I'll have to get the originals uploaded with all the details still attached, as they point out some of the modifications that the artist envisioned I guess the artist (really need to find his name) would have used some artistic licence. Rudiger Wicke has a few colour photo's of the Graber coupe on his site here that he's recently added.
I prefer Chip Foose over Boyd Coddington (rip) but muchos respect to all of them and their teams. It does make you wonder what would happen if American Hotrod or Overhaulin got hold of a p6 to work their magic on. Having Sky I get to see all the big tv shows, and a lot of others that are hidden in the mass of lesser channels which are hugely inspiring.
I prefer Chip Foose over Boyd Coddington (rip) but muchos respect to all of them and their teams. It does make you wonder what would happen if American Hotrod or Overhaulin got hold of a p6 to work their magic on. Having Sky I get to see all the big tv shows, and a lot of others that are hidden in the mass of lesser channels
which are hugely inspiring.
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Wow.
Simon - you really need to put a warning up before posting pictures like that & Rick, you need to keep yours & that Grabber coupe covered before someone's ticker gives out
There's been a bit of a resurgence in retro-styling over the last few years from the big boys over here. The Mustang started it off & I've recently thought about selling my soul or a major organ for a new Camaro. 60's car lines incorporated into modern cars! Wouldn't these designs be just the thing for a P6 revival & how many non-essential organs do humans have anyhow?
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Simon - you really need to put a warning up before posting pictures like that & Rick, you need to keep yours & that Grabber coupe covered before someone's ticker gives out
There's been a bit of a resurgence in retro-styling over the last few years from the big boys over here. The Mustang started it off & I've recently thought about selling my soul or a major organ for a new Camaro. 60's car lines incorporated into modern cars! Wouldn't these designs be just the thing for a P6 revival & how many non-essential organs do humans have anyhow?
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I think you're right there. You sometimes see faces from early episodes of American Hotrod on late episodes of Overhaulin. There did seem to be a bit of bitterness from one side, but that's for them to worry about. All I know is they make me want to do get into customs more and more (maybe I'll feel guilty one day). As for Chip doing the custom jobs in a week, I'm sure he does it, although sometimes they need an extra few hours or days on some of their projects. When you look at the co-ordinated manpower and pro equipment they use in a country which actively encourages the whole custom car culture, the timescale becomes much more feasible.
Here's a colour picture of the Graber
If only Rover had mass produced something like that, like the Stag is for the Triumph 2000/2500
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That's why I love my "Saturday job", past couple of months I've been helping out a friend who's main business is classic restoration and customs, a lot of old american stuff, plus plenty of P6's I'm helping with final assembly as I'm very patient and carefull, (well that's what he told me when asking for my help )
Currently I'm assembling a Morris Minor van, 2ltr fiat twincam, lots and lots of new metal (most of it is new), beautifull metalic blue paint, it's going to be really nice. Also been working on a NADA import, complete bare metal rebuild, that's also going to be very nice.
After a week of pushing keys and staring at a screen, it's so nice to get stuck into some manual work, and there's nothing better than working on cars !
)Currently I'm assembling a Morris Minor van, 2ltr fiat twincam, lots and lots of new metal (most of it is new), beautifull metalic blue paint, it's going to be really nice. Also been working on a NADA import, complete bare metal rebuild, that's also going to be very nice.
After a week of pushing keys and staring at a screen, it's so nice to get stuck into some manual work, and there's nothing better than working on cars !
Of course, David Bache did his own "custom" P6. Name of "Gladys", or as the factory would have prefered, the Alvis GTS. The car still exists and is listed as being on loan from the Bache family to Gaydon. Front end design can be seen to be a development of the P7 prototypes, or perhaps how the P7's would have looked if properly productionised. There are also hints of the Leyland Australia P76 (just change the lamp units for the Australian ones and you're pretty well there). The rear is clearly a predecessor of the P76 Force 7 Coupe. These photos scanned in from James Taylor's book of the P6.
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Nope, Gladys is a V8! Note the lifting tailgate. Fold down rear seats as well. Interior is fundamentally as a NADA. Date wise it's roughly contemporary with the Zagato. the latter was also a factory commission, so it's just possible both were styling exercises for a possible future Alvis. This project was cancelled by Leyland after the Leyland takeover and before the merger into BL. Production of the existing Alvis TF21 was also halted at roughly the same time (one or two are '68 registered but main production seems to have ended in '67 and the '68 cars were special orders for existing customers). Alvis then concentrated solely on military vehicles as a compliment to Land Rover - which is why Rover bought them. Mrs Bache used Gladys as her shopping car for many years. She's not on display at Gaydon. They allegedly have the sole remaining P8 as well. It's rumoured to have front end damage and is also not on display.
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It would be interesting to know how the Estoura originated. Rover had a strong association with Panelcraft. They had previously made factory prototypes for P5 convertibles and estates and then gone on to do limited numbers for private customers. And then there was the P6 convertible. All seem to have been lash ups to greater or lesser extent (particularely the P6 convertible) primarily intended to be used in styling clinics by the Rover senior management. Factory production runs would have needed to be significantly re-engineered. Possibly the Estoura was seen by H R Owen, who were having XJ6 estates done by Panelcraft at the time, and they persuaded Rover to let them market them to the public. The defficiencies of construction of the Estoura are well documented!!
The Graber coupes vary significantly from car to car and there was a convertible as well. I've not seen a view along the bodyside of either the coupes or the convertible, so it isn't easy to comment on how well done they are. The problem is that the body profile of the P6 is quite heavily curved in plan view (ie the car is fatter in the middle than at the ends). This means that if you move the B/C post back for a two door you also have to adjust the thickness of the post to match the width at the new position. Otherwise they look really wrong, as if the B/C post has rotted out and the whole car has "sprung" outwards at that point. The Panelcraft convertible suffers from this. Richards convertible project has addressed this at cost of a lot of effort.
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The Graber coupes vary significantly from car to car and there was a convertible as well. I've not seen a view along the bodyside of either the coupes or the convertible, so it isn't easy to comment on how well done they are. The problem is that the body profile of the P6 is quite heavily curved in plan view (ie the car is fatter in the middle than at the ends). This means that if you move the B/C post back for a two door you also have to adjust the thickness of the post to match the width at the new position. Otherwise they look really wrong, as if the B/C post has rotted out and the whole car has "sprung" outwards at that point. The Panelcraft convertible suffers from this. Richards convertible project has addressed this at cost of a lot of effort.
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