Oil Filters

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Hi All,
I am due to do an oil & filter change on my 1971 3500 auto, I have bought a "Fram" oil filter from JR Wadhams but before I do the oil change I have viewed on the internet the following "Warning for you fram oil filter lovers - you tube" has anyone else seen this short video? got to admit, I was horrified at what looks like the very poor quality of these filters, are they really as bad as this?, I am now thinking to dump it and look for a K&N filter, where is a good place to obtain one of these filters?. I am now wishing I had viewed this short video before buying the fram filter. Oh well! I live and learn.
Dave
 
Hi Dave,

I can't comment on Fram oil filters having never seen one, although I will say don't believe everything that you see on the internet.

It appears that the trend to use K & N oil filters on the Rover may well have started with me. They are excellent filters with the correct one for the P6B engine being the HP-2003.

Ron.
 
Hi, don't get too hung up on Fram filters being bad. Any manufactureing process will throw up
faults like that from time to time, the thing is you would never know. There are only a few filter
manufacturers, every one else buys filters from these and I include motor manufacturers, and has
the filter printed up with their logo. If you want a good filter go to one of the main manufacturers
where they will have 2 or 3 ranges of filter grades. But bearing in mind the short service interval
on the RV8 of 3k miles any filter will last that long wih reasonable effeciency, so you pays your
money and takes your choice.

Colin
 
I have a Fram filter that was part of the parts cache my grandfather had. No idea where he got it from as Fram is barely heard of in Australia.

Fram filters do have a bad rep, I've heard/seen web comments where people have bagged out Jay Leno for having them on his cars.

I've also seen people on Aulro knock K&N air filters, though I had one on my car for years with no problems. (Wasnt an offroad car though like the Aulro guys however).

I use a good ol Aussie Ryco Z30. It's huge, cheap, has a big nice rubber seal and they are used all over Australia with no surprises. I don't think they have a drain back valve though.
 
Hi Geoff,

I have seen the Z30 on quite a number of Rovers over the years. It does actually have an anti drain back valve, which is really nothing more than a rubber seal. You can see it in the photo, beneath the series of oil entry holes.

http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue/part/part/Z30

In reality, even if it didn't have one it wouldn't really present a problem on the RV8 as the filter is either angled downwards or sits vertically. Oil that is within would therefore have a hard time going against gravity.
The anti drain back facility is useful when the filter orientation is horizontal, such as on the Holden red motor.

Ron.
 
On my particular RV8 I use the Mann oil filters which I find a nice intermediate brand as far as quality and reputation is concerned. The genuine Land Rover filters are the best and most reputable, but have a higher cost to go with them. I'm also quite interested in the K&N brand as well. I've just bought one for my old Triumph Pi and I'm looking forward to trying it out. I'm presuming we can get them for the RV8 here in the UK? I'll have to find out...

Addendum:Just noticed Rich's post :oops:
 
Hi Lee,

The K & N HP-2003 is available here in Australia not because it fits the thread on the P5B and P6B oil pump front covers, but rather because it fits both 6 and V8 Holden engines, some 6+ litre V8 Chev engines in Holdens and some Jeeps plus others no doubt.

After about 1976, the diameter of the oil pump front cover spigot changed on Rover V8 engines, so the appropriate K & N filter will have a different part number.

Ron.
 
SydneyRoverP6B said:
The anti drain back facility is useful when the filter orientation is horizontal, such as on the Holden red motor.
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or rotaries! No idea why, but ryco filters always seemed to drop one million litres of oil everywhere whenever I changed one on my Mazda...!
 
Hi All,
Thanks for all the invaluable info, I have contacted K&N Filters (in Warrington) spoke to a chap called Dave Chard, he was is very helpful, it seems these filters can be easily obtained at most local car spares but you may have to order them (only takes a day or two) so I think I will be taking that route for my V8 just to be on the safe side. Thanks again to all
Best Regards
Dave
 
SydneyRoverP6B said:
Hi Lee,

The K & N HP-2003 is available here in Australia not because it fits the thread on the P5B and P6B oil pump front covers, but rather because it fits both 6 and V8 Holden engines, some 6+ litre V8 Chev engines in Holdens and some Jeeps plus others no doubt.

After about 1976, the diameter of the oil pump front cover spigot changed on Rover V8 engines, so the appropriate K & N filter will have a different part number.

Ron.
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Cheers Ron,
I'll have to do some homework and see if I can find a part number for a K&N to fit the later V8s.
 
Hi, I don't want to rain on anyones parade but I did some research and K&N oil filters
are made by Champion laboratories. Which is now part of Fram Filtration. :-

http://www.champlabs.com/

I am not saying they are not a good product, just don't get carried away with one make
over another. Oil filters only came about through extending oil change intervals. When
I first started on the bus company working on RT,s and Routemasters they didn't have
oil filters they relied on a strict oil change regime every 8 weeks.

Colin
 
colnerov wrote,...
I don't want to rain on anyones parade but I did some research and K&N oil filters
are made by Champion laboratories. Which is now part of Fram Filtration.
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Hi Colin,

I would imagine that if one company manufactures a product on behalf of another, then the client will specify the requirments. In this case, if K & N oil filters are being manufactured by another company, that does not preclude those filters being superior to other brand filters that the company may manufacture.

Using the manufacture of bicycle frames as an analogy, many Italian businesses now employ companies in China to construct carbon fibre frames to their design and specification. The Chinese company may manufacture frames for many clients, with all frames being completely different, ranging from low end items all the way through to works of art. A person could take each frame that they make, build it up with the same brand of components and then test both in the lab and out on the road. The result will be that no two will be the same and the range in both quality of construction, finish, ride quality, stiffness etc will all be different.

Ron.
 
The key thing about the K&N filter, that doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this post but was prominent in previous discussions, is that they are specified to remove a much much smaller particulate size than normal filters. As anyone who has worked with hydraulic systems will know, this is an absolutely key criteria to reliability and extending life.

I don't think it matters who made them - as long as they fulfil the spec promised by K&N they are a major advance on anything else available.

Chris
 
I don't think it matters who made them - as long as they fulfil the spec promised by K&N
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That's a bit like the horsemeat in food saga .It all depends on the maufacturing company adhering to the spec laid down and not cutting corners to save money .Plus the customer having adequate systems of check . Otherwise you may as well buy their cheapest product as they will be much the same ............
 
Not quite the same.... With the horse meat thing its the cheap products that weren't what they seemed this far....

K&n filters carry a price premium....

Rich.
 
Sorry .I was trying to make a point and didn't succeed
I always used Halfords filters for Maestro/Montego diesels on my V8
 
Hi All, I have now obtained a "K & N" oil filter for my 1971 3500 V8 (ref HP-2003) so now I can compare this with the Fram oil filter and it has to be said that the K & N is a much better quality manufactured product than the Fram, so Ron, you are quite correct, it is a very well made product, I bought this K & N oil filter from Eurocarparts for £10.51 incl vat, had to wait a couple of days while they order it,
Dave
 
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