p6 engine

vanguard55 said:
Here are some of the rovers I have had over the last few years, The mustard and cream p6 is the one I have now.
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And here it is in it's original carnation in 2005:

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My brother owned the car for a year or so, we bought it in North London. I know the car ended up in Cornwall and on eBay a few years ago. She was very pleasant to ride in but not over-solid - she had a 2000 lump then, which wasn't that great either. The roof was a nice item though, original item.

The red (HET) 2200TC we recycled a year ago on behalf of the last owner!

Cheers
Nick
 
harveyp6 said:
Is that from experience or just guesswork? I don't think it is possible, but if you are so confident I think you should get your spanners out to prove me wrong.
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Oh Dear! I was planning to go about it the way I had suggested, but it looks as though that really isn't possible. I had a little poke round in the sump a few weeks ago and thought I could make it work, but clearly I was mistaken.

Apologies if I have given mis-information! :oops: I think I must have misinterpreted a post in a previous thread:

redrover said:
Things I'm unsure whether to do - comments very welcome!:
10. Pistons out, hone bores, new piston rings - Is this necessary (plugs don't oil-foul)? And even possible without removing the crank?
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harveyp6 said:
10. You can do pistons and/or rings in situ. (ie with the crank in place.)
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:D

I'll give it a go anyway - just so there is a definitive answer! But as the head is currently on its way to Annable's for a refurb, access is not a problem.

*smacks forehead at his own stupidity!*

Michael
 
Thanks for the pics Nick, I bought it from a chap in norfolk, wroxham, and He had bought it for his Daughter to do up. The car did drive very well, It went straight through its m.o.t in oct 2011. He said it was rebodied from a 3500, it still had the 3500 badges on the panels. The chap I got it off also had a red and white 2200, he said He bought my car from a guy in scotland and drove it home. I must say the red seats look a lot nicer. I think the way forward would be to buy a scrap p6 and go from there, I could do with some tan seats to. Cheers John
 
vanguard55 said:
Thanks for the pics Nick, I bought it from a chap in norfolk, wroxham, and He had bought it for his Daughter to do up. The car did drive very well, It went straight through its m.o.t in oct 2011. He said it was rebodied from a 3500, it still had the 3500 badges on the panels. The chap I got it off also had a red and white 2200, he said He bought my car from a guy in scotland and drove it home. I must say the red seats look a lot nicer. I think the way forward would be to buy a scrap p6 and go from there, I could do with some tan seats to. Cheers John
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The chap in Norfolk rings true. The 2200TC was bought, unseen, on eBay by a chap from West London at the end of 2010. It was seriously rotten and leaked like a sieve. We got it as a potential full resto for the chap, but it just didn't make economic sense (the engine was seriously sick too) and we had to lay it to rest. One of the spectacular mods was the gearbox tunnel had been chopped away to get at the linkage, it was in two pieces :shock:

Cheers
Nick
 
Hi nick, The chap I got it from said he had a lot of welding to do on it, but he had done a good job of it, the roof was brown but no sunroof , this panel must be long gone. I am sitting here thinking of puting a Diesel in it ?, Do you know of anyone who has put a Diesel in a p6, ? and what would fit?. I bought the car off ebay early last year for 600 pound on a Buy it now, with tax and test . There is a man I know with a mk1 rover p6 with very low miles, but its been stood on wet grass for about 8 years with a cover over it. cheers John.
 
vanguard55 said:
Hi nick, The chap I got it from said he had a lot of welding to do on it, but he had done a good job of it, the roof was brown but no sunroof , this panel must be long gone. I am sitting here thinking of puting a Diesel in it ?, Do you know of anyone who has put a Diesel in a p6, ? and what would fit?. I bought the car off ebay early last year for 600 pound on a Buy it now, with tax and test . There is a man I know with a mk1 rover p6 with very low miles, but its been stood on wet grass for about 8 years with a cover over it. cheers John.
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It could be he sold the roof, it was a valuable item.

Being paranoic I'm wondering if what you have may be a (not tax-free) 2200 rung onto DLN's logbook - the base unit number would be interesting/revealing.

Cheers
Nick
 
I will have to check it out, When I bought the car the inside of the doors shuts were still brown, I had to respray them, along with the inside of the boot, so I think it would have been brown. I will have a good look around it and see what I can find , cheers John
 
vanguard55 said:
I will have to check it out, When I bought the car the inside of the doors shuts were still brown, I had to respray them, along with the inside of the boot, so I think it would have been brown. I will have a good look around it and see what I can find , cheers John
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DaveHerns said:
[The mustard and cream p6 is the one I have now./quote]

This isn't George Erratt's ( not sure on the spelling) old car ? I recall him having one those colours years ago
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No, he had a similar one which was scrapped.

This car (DLN) was one we bought in summer 2004 from a place in Hampstead, N. London. I remember driving back in it through London with the roof open.

Been speak to John, the current owner, via PM tonight and it does sound that what he has is the same car, and not a simple ringing job.
 
Took the head off tonight, valves look ok, piston seems ok, so I have filled the bore to the top with fine oil on num 4, and we will see what happens in the morning.
 
There are two fundamental problems with putting a diesel into a P6. First off, unless you are an electronic whizz, you really need to limit the choice to engines with purely mechanical fuel pumps etc, so you finish up using a fairly elderly - and therefore rattly - design. The other big issue is to get the engine mountings right. It's no good just using the P6 mounts - diesels need to be suspended from above and given lots of freedom to wobble, otherwise you get horrendous vibration into the car. And the structure of the P6 in the areas you'd want to attach the mounts - high up at the front - is not strong enough. Soluble of course - but there'd be some pretty major re-engineering.

Chris
 
I agree with Chris, making a diesel car isn't as simple as just plonking an engine into an existing shell. The P6's engine refinement is bad enough with the 4 cylinder petrol, so with the extra vibration of a diesel I suspect it would be unacceptably bad.

I must point out though that diesel engine mountings come in all sorts of guises. For instance the Td5 discovery has mountings which are very similar indeed to the 4 cylinder P6 engine mountings, albeit somewhat larger. But in all cases the mount is very carefully chosen so as to match the body mounting points, so as to reduce vibration to a minimum.

Gearing could be a snag too, although if you used a 5 speed box it wouldn't be so bad.

I think fitting a modern petrol unit would be a far more reasonable proposition. For instance one really popular unit for classic car transplants is the Ford zetec, even a humble 1.8 should easily haul the p6 shell, and would give well over 30mpg. Also these will mate with a RWD ford gearbox and you can get all the bits you need for mounting the engine longitudinally. Easy job really, people are doing it all the time in kit cars, and other classic car conversions. I toyed with the idea of doing my own P6 a few years back, as at the time I had access to some ex. test bed zetecs.
 
I agree, I've tried diesel, and I'm not a fan, so I'd much rather have a petrol engine, and if you need economy, fit LPG.
1.8 zetec sounds like a cracking idea to me. Bolt on a type 9 box and it should slot into a p6 bay pretty easy. Alternatively look at the ecotec in the Omega, already RWD.
 
Thanks guys, yes I think I will stick to petrol, I put oil down the bores last night, num 4 cylinder took about 20mins, then it was gone, so looks like rings. I am going to look about for an engine so I can use the car for now and do the other engine in my spare time. Cheers John
 
Hi, unfortunately I think that say's more about the Rover 4 pot's than it does about
diesel engines.

Colin
 
Hi guys, ok, I have the 2200 engine out and I have a 2000 ready to put in, Will I need to put the Flywheel and clutch off the 2200 engine, on to the 2000 engine, as they do look different? and the stater motors are different.I really should get round to buying a book. cheers.
 
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