P6 VIP...

There doesn't appear to be a general 'P6 chat' section on this forum so I don't know if I'm posting this in the right section but here goes...! Rovers swan song for the P6 was the limited edition VIP which had every extra (except electric windows it seems...)) thrown on it to get rid of the last ones as well as special trim and paint colours from the newly launched SD1... I'm eager to learn more about these special cars and, as such, would appreciate it if anybody out there could provide me with more specific details and some pictures...
 
First off look at the Crich 2007 pictures on here and there are a couple of KOW 576 P which is the ex Steve Walker car. On the S2 page there is a nice one of OAA 472 R. MPF 291 P is on the Bleinham 2003 page. I haven't found a picture of a Brasilia car, although I have seen one (being broken up!), or any off this site.

The P registrations are a clue that the VIP's were far from the last of the breed. There are P6's registered all the way through to S. This was partly because the SD1 was built in a completely new factory building, leaving the P6 line intact after SD1 production had started. Fitfull assembly of P6's therefore continued to use up stocks of parts (well done BL ordering department!!), make cars for Italy where the P6 filled a particular niche that SD1 didn't address, and to put together CKD kits for NZ assembly and Australian sale where the SD1 had some way to go before it met local build regulations.

The interior in the VIP was very 70's. The seats were in Brown ("Nutmeg") velour and so was the headlining! The headlining was also attched to a fibreglass former as SD1 rather than the normal coachbuilt stringing. Another special item was the sun visors, which were more robust than the squishy standard item and in quite a pleasant shade of mid brown to go with the dark brown velour headlining. Biggest problem though was the paint. Rumour has it that they were the first cars to use the new SD1 paint facility and certainly the survival rate reflects the appalling paint adhesion that resulted from that process! The number built apparently resulted from an alocation of one car to each Rover dealership. The brown ones ("Brasilia" - 30 cars) look pretty normal externally and the colour was briefly a standard offering. The silver ("Platinum" - 47 cars) ones (like the Steve Walker car) look absolutely stunning, and was the only metallic ever offered on the car. The Platinum cars also have a very red brown shade of vinyl for the roof and 1/4 panels which I haven't come across elsewhere. The Brasilia cars seem to have a more normal Huntsman shade.

I'm not sure it is true to say that they carried all available options. They all got A/C but not electric windows, NADA style side impact beams in the doors, continental boot mount kits, rear seat belts and laminated screens. I don't think they got either the NADA door pockets or the NADA style centre console, which were still cropping up on (particularely German) export cars in the latter stages of production along with the electric windows. I have seen some with the dash rail passenger grab handle though.

Why were they built? No idea! The obvious conjecture is to test the reaction to the velour in preparation for SD1, but the one per dealership feels more like a swansong celebration for the old company before the BL SD1 took over. Certainly they were never advertised and I don't think there was even a press release. So there wasn't a serious attempt to sell them. Similarely the "use all the special bits up" rationalle doesn't stack up. That honour really belongs to roughly contemporary German and perhaps Swiss market cars which were much heavier dippers in the NADA bins.

Hope that gets everybody started!
 
I do remember one of the classic car mags doing a story on the rebuild of one of these.

The person rebuilding it thought that the base unit was too far gone so he got another one, then proceeded to find repalcement parts for just about everything else, finishing up with the claim that he had saved one of these very rare cars.

Many who wrote in, including me, thought that he had actually built a replica which included a few of the original bits.

I don't know what happened to it after that.
 
Yes, I remember that. :LOL: Muppet. I had a look round Steve Walkers VIP when I was up there spending money one day. Apart from the paint I only really remember the velour seats & the headlining & I didn't particularly like either. The factory fitted aircon was of course a lot neater than the one ours is fitted with.
 
The person rebuilding it thought that the base unit was too far gone so he got another one, then proceeded to find repalcement parts for just about everything else, finishing up with the claim that he had saved one of these very rare cars.

Was that Reg Mason's green P6 ?
 
Maybe he's rebuilt it into an almond body shell ? It was green in the article I have somewhere in my car magazine cupboard
 
If I remember rightly the green Reg Mason car was a NADA replica rather than a VIP that was featured in Practictal Scrappers back in 18 nickington 8 :LOL:
 
chrisyork said:
First off look at the Crich 2007 pictures on here and there are a couple of KOW 576 P which is the ex Steve Walker car. On the S2 page there is a nice one of OAA 472 R. MPF 291 P is on the Bleinham 2003 page. I haven't found a picture of a Brasilia car, although I have seen one (being broken up!), or any off this site.

The P registrations are a clue that the VIP's were far from the last of the breed. There are P6's registered all the way through to S. This was partly because the SD1 was built in a completely new factory building, leaving the P6 line intact after SD1 production had started. Fitfull assembly of P6's therefore continued to use up stocks of parts (well done BL ordering department!!), make cars for Italy where the P6 filled a particular niche that SD1 didn't address, and to put together CKD kits for NZ assembly and Australian sale where the SD1 had some way to go before it met local build regulations.

The interior in the VIP was very 70's. The seats were in Brown ("Nutmeg") velour and so was the headlining! The headlining was also attched to a fibreglass former as SD1 rather than the normal coachbuilt stringing. Another special item was the sun visors, which were more robust than the squishy standard item and in quite a pleasant shade of mid brown to go with the dark brown velour headlining. Biggest problem though was the paint. Rumour has it that they were the first cars to use the new SD1 paint facility and certainly the survival rate reflects the appalling paint adhesion that resulted from that process! The number built apparently resulted from an alocation of one car to each Rover dealership. The brown ones ("Brasilia" - 30 cars) look pretty normal externally and the colour was briefly a standard offering. The silver ("Platinum" - 47 cars) ones (like the Steve Walker car) look absolutely stunning, and was the only metallic ever offered on the car. The Platinum cars also have a very red brown shade of vinyl for the roof and 1/4 panels which I haven't come across elsewhere. The Brasilia cars seem to have a more normal Huntsman shade.

I'm not sure it is true to say that they carried all available options. They all got A/C but not electric windows, NADA style side impact beams in the doors, continental boot mount kits, rear seat belts and laminated screens. I don't think they got either the NADA door pockets or the NADA style centre console, which were still cropping up on (particularely German) export cars in the latter stages of production along with the electric windows. I have seen some with the dash rail passenger grab handle though.

Why were they built? No idea! The obvious conjecture is to test the reaction to the velour in preparation for SD1, but the one per dealership feels more like a swansong celebration for the old company before the BL SD1 took over. Certainly they were never advertised and I don't think there was even a press release. So there wasn't a serious attempt to sell them. Similarely the "use all the special bits up" rationalle doesn't stack up. That honour really belongs to roughly contemporary German and perhaps Swiss market cars which were much heavier dippers in the NADA bins.

Hope that gets everybody started!

Chris
My theory is they were built as they had around 77 unused NADA base units hanging about at Solihull and needed something to do with them...the base units for these cars date from 1970-1971.
 
That sounds plausible Nick. Does that mean that all A/C cars used NADA base units? Only snag I can see with the theory is that true NADA's are LHD. I'm pretty sure there were (very minor) differences between LHD and RHD base units, although not enough to prevent conversion between the two! Since A/C was an offered option on UK market S2's, could it be they built a batch of S2 A/C shells in 70/71 and never used them up?

Chris
 
chrisyork said:
That sounds plausible Nick. Does that mean that all A/C cars used NADA base units? Only snag I can see with the theory is that true NADA's are LHD. I'm pretty sure there were (very minor) differences between LHD and RHD base units, although not enough to prevent conversion between the two! Since A/C was an offered option on UK market S2's, could it be they built a batch of S2 A/C shells in 70/71 and never used them up?

Chris

Can't be too much of a problem as my NADA was converted at the factory to RHD along with half a dozen others.. after first being built up as LHD NADAs
 
TwinPlenum3500S said:
I know where one is being broken if yo are interested

When I was editor of 'Driving Force' I did some hard research on VIP's - There were certainly only 77 of them, apart from two in 1975, the bulk of them were built in April/May 1976. There was a further batch in August-October 1976, but only I think one was built in 1977, and they were still building 'standard' 3500's for a while after.

The car with the plate on the back which states 'Last Of Line' is nothing of the sort.

How complete is the one being broken?

Cheers
Nick
 
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