problems with fitting panels

Hans

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Hi i have problems with the alignment from the panels , with the restauration of my car i have buyed at several places very good parts so i have not a original door or wing , boot and bonnet from the car but all is from other cars.
Now i am bussy with the alignment , i have big gap at the front wing and bonnet.
Have somebody tips what piece i start with the alignment and maybe sombody have some dimensions of the gabs between rooftrim and stainless window frame? and gab between doors?
Are the 3 small bolts from the fuel cover panel shimmed or need the adjusting screws on the boothinges?
Sorry for my questions but this job is more difficult i was thinking.
Regards Hans
 
I always start with the boot and work my way forward. The boot seems to be the least adjustable panel which is why I start there. The problems comes with the side strip allignment as they were probably drilled to suit the original allignment, and it can be difficult to align them and keep the rest of the gaps even. In an ideal world all panels would be fitted and alligned and then drilled for the side strips.
 
Hi, I always start with the doors because they are surounded on 3 sides by immovable frame.
Yes the rear decker panel is adjustable for height by threaded studs at front and by lossening
the fixings in the vertical hole of the 'L' bracket.

Colin
 
OK, this is my method. As you have seen other people have different ideas.!

Start by putting front and back wings on. This is not the final fit, but is to get the horizontal lines for the doors. Then fit the bare door cases - without any windows or the window frames. Now fit the rear 1/4 panels, getting them as high and rearwards as possible. Now you can line up the doors by fitting shims under the hinges. If these door have not been on this car before, then you may well have to twist the door case (this is called "fettling" and needs a strong knee and a beer belly). When you are fairly happy with the shut of the doors - ie there is a nice even gap between door and base unit where the door rubber seal sits, and the horizontal body lines line up through from the front wing all the way to the back, then try fitting the window frames. If you have got the last bit right they should be able to be adjusted on the door to fit snug up to the gutter and parallel to it throughout. You may need to do some more "fettling" - but don't try adjusting the door again just yet - do all the fettling on the window frame against the fixings to the door.

With luck you now have doors that shut beautifully and with window frames that line up with the gutters. If not go back to the beginning with the window frames loose and re-align the doors. Then try to align the window frames again.

Now you can start on the wings. The front is generally easy, the back generally very difficult. So start with the back. Try to get it as far forward as possible. Feel free to use washers under all the fixing points or none. Don't worry about the bottom of the wing relative to the door. When you have everything else OK that can be eased (ie the strong knee and beer belly again) in or out as required to match exactly the bottom edge of the door. Concentrate on the mid line upwards. When you have the wing accurate to the door, then fit the boot lid and the rear decker panel. Make sure that there is a nice tight gap between the wing and the boot lid. Adjust the rear of the wing in or out with washers to achieve this. Check that there is clearance between the wing and the rear decker.

Now do the other side.

Now you can finally adjust the boot lid and rear decker and fit the lower valance at the rear. This may throw up the need for a few more adjustments, but if the earlier part is done well they should be minor.

Now attach the bonnet loosely. And fit both front wings loosely. Adjust the rear edge of the front wings to precisely match the doors. Now try closing the bonnet. Use the bonnet catch to centre the bonnet at the front. Then adjust the front of the front wings in or out using washers to get a reasonable gap to the bonnet - not too tight. Then at the rear of the bonnet, place washers under the bonnet hinges to raise the bonnet high enough to get clearance to the front wings at the rear. Trial fit the grille to make sure that the front of the front wings are vertical when compared to the edge of the grille (or headlamp surrounds if you are using a series 2 grille).

Last, but not least, fit the front decker panel. It should just about slip in under the rear edge of the bonnet.

All very easy to write, but you are likely to spend up to a week on this. It was by far the most skilled job at the plant when they were made. Regrettably the standard of manufacture of both base unit and panels is nowhere near as accurate as the German norm!

One more small tip; as soon as you have the doors on the car, fit the check straps at the bottom to limit how far the door can swing open. Otherwise you may crease and damage the doors against each other and the front wings!

Hope that helps.

Chris
 
Hi Chris thank you very much for that clear answer, now i start this week again but now i have the window frames in it so i start to disassy that.
The left side of the car is maybe for 70% good , but the right side i have the problem with the rear wing, and at the front with the bonnet , when i have this aligned to the front doors the bonnet is not into his lock. and when it is in his lock then i have big differce gab between left and right side.
Also the left quarter panel is not so very nice backwards as the left, but i dont know how to repair it because it fits into the stainless trim what is into the windowseal
But tommorow i start at the beginning and try with good mood to fit this panels.(if the weather is good i want to do it outside because i have not a big garage)
 
Sounds like you're having fun. :LOL: I'm also trying to retain my patience and achieve decent panel gaps at the moment. Thanks for the advice Chris. I've done almost all of mine now, and in a different order. :LOL: I would advise not tightening the two inner screws for the 1/4 panel covers too much, as they'll 'dimple' the covers. Probably not noticeable if they're covered in vinyl, but I've gone for paint and my stupidity is really noticeable. I don't know how I managed to do the same on the other side too. :oops: Why isn't there a Smilie icon for Dimwit? If you're fitting new door aperture rubbers, fit them before you hang the doors, or at least before you fit the check straps with shiny new chrome buttons on top. Again, Muppet smilie needed. :roll: As for the gap between the front windscreen top trim and the roof panel, mine is huge. :cry: Oh, and fitting the front scuttle with the eye-opening amount of force required to make the outer screw holes line up strikes me as easier without the bonnet on. But I've only done it the once, and don't claim to be a panelfitter. Far from it. Best of luck Hans. :wink:
 
I am generally happy with the panel fit on my car, apart from the bonnet.

I have adjusted this as far forward as possible; the rear edge fouls one of the wiper arms (the area that fits on the spindle).

I have also tried moving the wiper spindles as far up the slots as possible.

Is this just one of those 'Leyland' things?
 
I had the catching wiper syndrome and shimmed the bonnet hinge up to cure the problem, one thin washer on the drivers side hinge mount bolts, under the mount, cured it.


John.
 
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