rover p6 please help to save

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littlebob

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hi all i need your help i have recently aquired a near mint rover p6 3500 v8 that was destined for the scrap yard i belive it has been declaired scrap however it is in far too good a condition to crush it even still has tax! the chrome is mint as is the paint the only rust i can find is ontop of the drivers side wing the size of my thumb it starts on the button and the chrome is mint does any one know if it can be re regestered once it is scraped? as i belive this is in far better condition than some cars i have seen under ten years old my friend and the scrap yard didnt have the heart to crush it and i would like to see this car back on the road or at least used for spares as every and i mean every part is useable please help
 
Hi, assuming that your cat is Cat C scrap/salvage, you may be able to get it re-registered on the original reistration. From what I understand, you have to pay VOSA to do a Vehicle Identity check, if they can establish the vehicles idenity you can then submit the VIC to DVLA to get a new V5C "log book".

http://www.ukmotorists.com/insurance catagories.asp

From DVLA website:-

All cars notified to DVLA as ‘written off’ within salvage categories A, B or C are required to pass a vehicle identity check (VIC), conducted by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA), before DVLA will issue a registration certificate V5C.

If a car has been rebuilt as part of the repair process, this can call the identity of the car into question. When applying for a VIC you'll be asked to declare whether your car’s chassis or monocoque body has been replaced or modified in any way. The information you provide will enable VOSA to decide whether your VIC application can proceed or whether to refer your car to a DVLA local office for inspection, where it'll be assessed in line with DVLA’s rebuild guidelines instead.

If a car fails a VIC because its identity cannot be confirmed, it won't be entitled to retain its original registration mark. It may, be possible to register the car with DVLA if evidence of British National Type Approval in the form of a Minister's Approval Certificate can be produced. This may be obtained by applying to VOSA for a Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA). However before doing so, you'll need to obtain an alternative vehicle identification number (VIN) from the DVLA Local Office.
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DVLA Rules:-

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486


VIC form:-
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/Application for a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC 1).pdf
 
Cars that have gone into a breakers by law are now registered as scrap on DVLA database. The breaker should NOT have sold it to you. If you apply for the logbook, the scrap yard will be in a lot of bother with regard their licence. You are stuck with a car with no ID. I would advise against applying for the V5c if the breaker has been good enough to release it to you ...PLAY THIS VERY CAREFULLY!
 
Since it's a V8 and they almost invariably didn't have engine nos, all you have to do is capture a true scrapper on it's way to heaven and transfer the small plate..... Can't quite believe I suggested that! Tut tut!

Chris
 
That is a naughty move ..... ringing in fact! Taken a dim view of by the Law.

As for engine numbers, all are stamped up and stated on V5c.
 
Trouble is that's the sort of thing the authorities go after as it is an easy "catch" but if you do it ,good luck
My local garage have a Kia franchise and were apparently offered a nice Singer Vogue under the scrappage scheme against a new Kia .Pleased to say they showed the owner better ways to get rid of it
 
chrisyork said:
Since it's a V8 and they almost invariably didn't have engine nos, all you have to do is capture a true scrapper on it's way to heaven and transfer the small plate..... Can't quite believe I suggested that! Tut tut!

Chris
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Only if it is a S1 car!!
S2's have it stamped on both inner wings!
There is also another ID mark on them that you need to dispose of via the fact that it "most probably "has rusted in that area and had a repair plate let in! :wink:
Its as easy to change an engine no as it is the colour on the V5!!
The chassis no is the critical one!!
Subtle production differences can also give away a car that doesnt seem right!!
BTW!!
What year is it?
It maybe that the inner shell is rotten,and it failed its mot!! as they can look totally mint on the outside!!
 
DaveHerns said:
My local garage have a Kia franchise and were apparently offered a nice Singer Vogue under the scrappage scheme against a new Kia .Pleased to say they showed the owner better ways to get rid of it
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If it's early Hillman era...point him my way!



30 something years ago...OK...closer to 40...I had to make do with a Minx...couldn't afford the extra 20 quid for the Vogue that was on offer.
 
Its easy buy a scrap car and and transfer the id to your car and call it a reshell , and as said before the id is lost in the welding work ,its not uncommon and in the country of more rules and regs than we need what they dont know won t hurt them, lots of classics loose id and lets face it how many classics are orginal ,my v8 has the id on a plate and is self tapped onto the body and it passes mots and is driven everyday, so if you dont tell they wont know.
regards
marcus
 
Hi also its not against the law to reshell a car so you could loose the id from your car and use the id from the scrap car as long as its not been registered scrap ,
you then transfer the id to your car shell and any other parts you need and thats called car restoration.
regards
marcus
 
We are not talking about reshelling here, we are talking about a straight car with no ID. All that will happen here is that it will be rung over.
 
TwinPlenum3500S said:
We are not talking about reshelling here, we are talking about a straight car with no ID. All that will happen here is that it will be rung over.
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I thought it had ID, just been registered as scrapped. Or have I missed something in the thread. :)
 
DaveHerns said:
My local garage have a Kia franchise and were apparently offered a nice Singer Vogue under the scrappage scheme against a new Kia .Pleased to say they showed the owner better ways to get rid of it
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I believe that part of the scrappage scheme states the car has to be chopped up and that they have to show proof of this to get their grand back. (the car company stumps up the other grand) So any sub two grand classics entered into this will not be saved unless you step in and stump up the 2k for it from the dealer, before he fills out the paperwork.

This is not good for average tax'd and MOT'd P6's as these go for less than two grand. A car brought as a whim then is gotten board off a year later could be used instead of selling on to someone who will make it shine again. A lot of dealers are offering more than 2k discount, 5th gear were offered 6 grand :shock: off a big ford for an old car as part of the scrap scheme!

I guess this goes for any classic that when road worthy but tatty / average condition is worth less than 2 grand.

But this is all off topic... :)
 
This is nothing to do with scrappage scheme .... this car is a council repossession. I used to buy numerous complete cars from a huge local breakers (he would ring me with all the classics). I would fill in a V62 and all was well.

Then the law came in they had to be scrapped .... as such apply for the V5c and get the yard in loads of bother. The DVLA are then in the loop and all is lost... Q plating etc. Its bureaucratic crap!
 
TP 3500s , you're playing it very straight for a man who didn't believe in seat belts or speed limits , if I remember correctly

How many rallying Escorts have been reshelled , given new identities etc ?
 
We obviously can't condone swapping identities but let's face it, if one fine P6 & one grotty P6 had their identities swapped in a tidy manner & the grotty one was scrapped & the fine one took to the roads again, who would know & what harm would be done. As stated, it's bureaucratic claptrap & in the list of ringing car identity offences, this would rate pretty low.
 
Hi your making a simple thing hard to do , forget the cars id that it has now and just use the other cars id ,who cares what the law says ,the car will be fine and as long as its safe so what.(its done all the time no one gets hurt and at the end of the day its just a number)
regards
marcus
ps i bet the guy wish he had nt asked now :D
 
Hi all i have 4 scrap p6s in my yard and ive been picking the best bits of each car to make one good car that includes the best shell the best engine and all the best bits ,so which is the orginal car i ask , who knows ,most classic cars have several over cars in them and the shell is just another part of the car.
as i said its part of classic car restoration it happens
regards
marcus
ask the ford boys
 
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