Some P6 ROC 50th Anniversary Pictures

[codekiddie]

Just got home from a great day at Waddesdon for the P6 ROC 50th anniversary national show. Well done to all the organisers, and it was also nice to finally put some more faces to names from on here.

As usual with my Mrs, she never goes anywhere without her camera, and also talked the Manor staff into letting her into places not normally allowed for the general public, to allow her take some shots from inside looking out over the proceedings Mind you, they had to escort her :shock:

A good turnout of 157 cars I believe, and even the weather behaved itself

 

[Brian-Northampton]

Yes it was a lovely day.

Of those 150 odd - I counted them up and there were 101 P6s

Nice turn out.

 

[Mikep]

Looked a great day and with a brilliant turn out. I wish I could have made it but my MOT and tax have run out and I had family over this weekend

 

[Johnny E]

Couldn't bring the P6 to this one, but did attend with the other half who only came because of the Manor house (which is incredible by the way).

Great show, good turn out and plenty of visitors. Nice to see quite a few forum cars there.

At a future mass P6 gathering, can we have a collective V8 engine start-up please?

 

[V8P6B]

At a future mass P6 gathering, can we have a collective V8 engine start-up please?

What a fantastic idea!

I was there with my V8, and I must say I had a great day. That yellow race prepped one was a bit of a brute.. That would drown out quite a few P6's

I was lucky enough to have my car parked just next to the manor house, right by the staircase windows, so was able to get some cracking pics of my car from inside the house.. 8)



Here's a few more from the day...












Sorry if its a bit pic heavy, and sorry to codekiddie if I've hijacked his thread....

P.S Why's the Talago got a V8 front valance?

 

[chrisyork]

Nice Pics!

The Talago has a V8 front valance because it is a V8 - ie not a Talago. It carries the registration no of the last Talago, P6/16, because some people at Rover a long time ago were quite creative and free with amending the details in that cars original registration document. They liked the registration no and wanted to keep it. Up until relatively recently there may even have been some Talago bits in the remains of the V8. But then it got reshelled. Again. The car today has reproduction Talago badges and reproduction vented 1/4 panels. So apart from being able to trace the owners and the various "rebuilds" through on the original log book it has no more relationship to a Talago than your car. Which is a pity, because it's an absolutely beatiful car. And the engine and gearbox are actually very interesting being an ex GM Buick from the experimental department and a strengthened 2000 box adapted to run with it, again ex Rover. But they were never associated with a Talago.

If the owner would only call it a rover 3500 with reproduction Talago trim parts, everybody would think it was wonderful!

Chris

 

[NickDunning]

Some wonderful Sharkstooth action there yesterday. I've been looking forward to seeing the 2000 on the left, DNP, for a long time as she is, I suspect, the nearest surviving car that my 2000 has to a sister. Both built very early in September 1964. She's still with her original owner and in superb order.

Some years ago I changed the rear springs and shocks on my car as she was just sitting down too far. DNP still has hers, you can tell!

Star of the show for me was this car though, another I've waited years to see. This is JXC200C, which, when first registered, was ROV1, presumably William Martin-Hurst's car in 1965 (we know the identity of several ROV1's in the late 1960's, this one was unknown).

Car has front/rear over-riders, HRW and a Webasto, as well as the original switch for the driving lamps - never seen before:

I'll get some more info and get it into 'Driving Force' in the near future.

 

[codekiddie]

Sorry if its a bit pic heavy, and sorry to codekiddie if I've hijacked his thread....

No apology necessary, the more pics the better I've just been a little lazy as I have a lot more I could add :shock:

 

[symes]

I was there too--it was a good show-how ever I was lucky--most people walked straight past my 5 litre rat 2000---It was the matt black one next to The Beastie 4.6--had too laugh he only has 250 hp---mine would give him a good run (260 without Nitrous)--people only noticed how much grunt mine had when I was leaving-every time I touched throttle=Wheel spin. What is a shame is there is never any driving stuff--you just have to sit and show your car--Boring---sorry but to me that is total waste of time--couldn't care who's got the shiniest car---when the wind blew dust about---wet myself laughing at the sad gits rushing to polish again--I wont be renewing my member ship because I drive mine/leave it outside house all year round and Drag race her at weekends(13 seconds Quarter mile) not bad for a 48 year old car eh.
Sorry If I sound negative-but come on---160+ p6's in one place-Has got to be Checked out eh

 

[NickDunning]

What is a shame is there is never any driving stuff--you just have to sit and show your car--Boring---sorry but to me that is total waste of time

We had road runs and driving tests on the Saturday as part of the Jubilee Rally in June, and you were there Mr. Symes!

 

[symes]

What is a shame is there is never any driving stuff--you just have to sit and show your car--Boring---sorry but to me that is total waste of time

We had road runs and driving tests on the Saturday as part of the Jubilee Rally in June, and you were there Mr. Symes!

NO I was'nt mate---missed that due to mum passing away :cry: Otherwise I would be there--looning it up-thats what rovers were built for---
Next year/event--will be there

 

[squizzy]

If we have the National Show at Waddesdon Manor again I'll put a request in to Lord Rothchild to put a link road into Silverstone race track for you Symes !
Your P6 was very noticed and you had several self-judging votes too !

Our event photographer has taken photographs of every vehicle at the show and many general ones of the venue. All the photographs will soon be on the P6 Rover Owners Club website www.p6roc.com

I've only just finished unloading our 4x4 from the show but I will soon give a brief report on the show. The full show article will be published in the October P6 News.

Meanwhile a big thank you to everyone who joined us at our 50th Anniversary Show to make the day so special.

Deborah Squires
P6 Rover Owners Club
www.p6roc.com

 

[RVW955K]

I certainly noticed your car Symes, it looks very American with the whitewalls and them hubs. I would perhaps consider editing your post, you never know, he might be watching :wink: Anyway, I really enjoyed the show. Though perhaps the cars could have been spaced out a touch more.

 

[V8P6B]

I was there too--it was a good show-how ever I was lucky--most people walked straight past my 5 litre rat 2000---It was the matt black one next to The Beastie 4.6--had too laugh he only has 250 hp---mine would give him a good run (260 without Nitrous)--people only noticed how much grunt mine had when I was leaving-every time I touched throttle=Wheel spin....

I definitely noticed it.. Although, I'm not sure I heard it start. I would have loved to hear that.

Mind you, with all that pristine paintwork parked on that gravel,

every time I touched throttle=Wheel spin

I'm not sure you'd have been altogether popular..

 

[symes]

If we have the National Show at Waddesdon Manor again I'll put a request in to Lord Rothchild to put a link road into Silverstone race track for you Symes !
Your P6 was very noticed and you had several self-judging votes too !

Our event photographer has taken photographs of every vehicle at the show and many general ones of the venue. All the photographs will soon be on the P6 Rover Owners Club website http://www.p6roc.com

I've only just finished unloading our 4x4 from the show but I will soon give a brief report on the show. The full show article will be published in the October P6 News.

Meanwhile a big thank you to everyone who joined us at our 50th Anniversary Show to make the day so special.

Deborah Squires
P6 Rover Owners Club
http://www.p6roc.com

Black rose was built for drags-not corners and I loved it----p6 heaven-----series ones----ooohhhhh cold shower time

 

[squizzy]

Regarding the Talago
The owner Richard Lezer knows that it has been restored, you only need to read the articles he has written in P6 News - but the car has many original Talago parts and he has the original badges although he has some reproduced ones also. He has the original 1/4 panels but only one of them was useable so he had an identical one made. The Talago's were built as experimental cars so they had several variations.
Since he has owned the car he has made so many improvements and he has allocated original Talago parts to restore it back to how it was.
Richard Lezer is the biggest enthusiast anyone could imagine having created his own Rover Museum. His research into anything Rover is so extensive and he has probably more information than anyone including the museums in the UK. Richard also has every Rover document, brochure and literature in every language. He has found so many different 'rover secrets' about the Talago's that were produced and so he is only completing the restoration to make it what it once was.
There has been so many rumours and comments made about 16 DYF over the years, but I would suggest to anyone to talk directly with the owner to find out about 16 DYF. The August P6 News contains an article about the Talago and its history which recently appeared in the Great British Cars magazine.
In my opinion I think it is better to restore any vehicle than let it go to the scrapyard. I guess at least 90% of the cars on the road today would have gone a long time ago if the owners had not restored them at great expense.
The original photograph below is of one of the Talago's which was one of many donated to the P6ROC from Angela Priestley (daughter of Peter Wilks)

If you had a heart transplant would you change your name !

 

[V8P6B]

Thanks for the info about the talago. I personally loved that car at the show, and fully agree with your comments. It is a beauty, with a great story to tell. I was just curious about the V8 front valance, on a car that was built before the V8 was considered for the P6, but reading about it on the web, it seems that it was retained by Rover for a few years, and became a V8 test mule (don't like that expression). This would explain the V8 valance, I guess, especially as it was the first car to receive all the final production panels. Extremely interesting car.. 8)

 

[chrisyork]

I agree with you Squizzy in almost every respect! I think the car is lovely and interesting. And I'm delighted it's still around, even if in very much modified form.

There really is a major problem with calling it a Talago, though. And one which won't go away, no matter how many origianl Talago parts it acquires.The fact is that it was bought out of Rover ownership with the original 4 cylinder engine still in place. It was bought by a (later) senior Rover engineer who had been using it as his company car.This was way after it had ceased being used for experimental or development work.

This engineer,, after the launch of the 3500 and prior to the 3500S, fancied trading up to a manual V8. With none available to buy, he decided to build his own. With access to engineering and the experimemtal shop, he acquired a 3500 base unit that had been stripped for inspection following mileage accumulation testing and would otherwise have been scrapped. This was an interesting and very low number base unit in its own right, as it had been inside the P6B that had appeared in Rover films undergoing handling testing. Armed with this base unit and the old 16 DYF, he proceeded to build himself a car using anything that was lying around. The result was reasonably indistinguishable externally from a production 3500 except that he kept the vented Talago 1/4 panels. No doubt lots of other Talago bits finished up in it as well, but these didn't include things like the dash etc which would have been toast by then, having been originally made out of model board. For an engine and gearbox he had a problem as he wasn't prepared to afford a new one off the line. So it seems he used the experimemtal Buick and 2000 box that was now also surplus from V8 development. (most early V8 test cars had strengthened 2000 boxes). At conclusion everybody was happy. He got the manual V8 he wanted and Rover got to scrap a complete car and engine - the old 16 DYF.

What appeared at the time a minor fraud which lead to today's controversy was then to use the original 16 DYF logbook - with the base unit no and engine number changed, to give the new car legal title - and to keep the old registration to which he was now attached.

It is at this point that I and many many others think that the car loses its Talago identity. Only odd components of Talago remain on what is effectively a new car.

As I said before, it's an extremely interesting new car, and no matter how many subsequent rebuilds or restorations it had, it still remains so.

And I'm very glad it has survived. But if you wanted to build a replica Talago, there are much better places to start. There are some extremely early base units around, as much as 6 years earlier than the base unit originally used in building the V8, never mind the, much later, one it currently wears. And there are even experimental series 4 cylinder engines around. So combbinig those with what Talago bits can be unearthed would produce a close approximation of one of the late Talagos.

Perhaps you could sum up the issue like this. Trigger's broom, despite the numerous heads and handles, retained the right to be called Trigger's broom because it looked like a broom and worked like a broom. This car started life as a broom and is now a rake (or fork etc). So now it's called Trigger's rake.

But I'm glad the car is still with us - just please please stop calling it a Talago!!

Chris

 

[rockdemon]

I'd say as the only car with any sort of talago lineage left then call it whatever the owner wants. Of course this controversy is great for the p6 and talago. These stories help give a picture of rover at the time and that can only be positive.

 

[Brian-Northampton]

I'd say as the only car with any sort of talago lineage left

There is also the T4 at Gaydon - that's P6/10

But I'm with you Rich - it's his car he can call it whatever he wants be it Talago, Tigger, Piglet or Pooh! lol

As I understand it, the owner knows full well what it is, what it isn't and what he wants it to be .... and it is still fascinating.

Bri.