The V8 is home, lets sort out the bodges...

Rob M said:
Brilliant stuff, thanks Phil!
Right I did actually move that wire over and it did absolutely nothing so, it would seem, the starter is borked.
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I didn't mean to actually move the brown/white wire to the +ve, but rather to effectively short the two together.

Rob M said:
Im guessing that, although I can get it spinning by shorting it its not actually engaging the ring gear, again, that makes sense.Rob
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What are you actually shorting to get it spinning?

AFAIK the solenoid engages the drive gear with the flywheel, and only when it is fully engaged, the starter contacts close, and it begins to rotate, but I am willing to be corrected by someone more in the know :?

Glad to help whenever I can Rob. I don't mind doing car electrics, as I took an early interest in electronics from age eleven, (my Dad's influence). Not sure where you are in West Norfolk, but I am not too far from Wisbech, so if you ever need a second pair of hands..... especially since you lost so many of your fingers putting the starter back :(
 
Rob M said:
Im guessing that, although I can get it spinning by shorting it its not actually engaging the ring gear, again, that makes sense.
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If that's the case then it's a solenoid fault rather than the motor itself, but it may be that because shorting the two main terminals on the solenoid together will always spin the motor if it's working, you may not be getting a switched supply to the solenoid to energise that when you're operating the key. So, check the switched feed to the solenoid with a test lamp, if that's not there the fault is further back along the system, and to prove the point run a hotwire to the solenoid terminal and the motor should work properly. If not it's a solenoid fault.
 
codekiddie said:
Rob M said:
Brilliant stuff, thanks Phil!
Right I did actually move that wire over and it did absolutely nothing so, it would seem, the starter is borked.
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I didn't mean to actually move the brown/white wire to the +ve, but rather to effectively short the two together.

Rob M said:
Im guessing that, although I can get it spinning by shorting it its not actually engaging the ring gear, again, that makes sense.Rob
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What are you actually shorting to get it spinning?

AFAIK the solenoid engages the drive gear with the flywheel, and only when it is fully engaged, the starter contacts close, and it begins to rotate, but I am willing to be corrected by someone more in the know :?

Glad to help whenever I can Rob. I don't mind doing car electrics, as I took an early interest in electronics from age eleven, (my Dad's influence). Not sure where you are in West Norfolk, but I am not too far from Wisbech, so if you ever need a second pair of hands..... especially since you lost so many of your fingers putting the starter back :(
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Sorry for not being clear, I moved the wire after shorting it...just incase ( cant say i didnt try! ) :oops:
Im shorting the two main terminals on the starter which makes it spin which, i think, tells me that the starter gear is moving, I think.
Phil, Im in Kings Lynn, not too far from Wisbech, eh!
Harvey,will investigate further, however im a bit of an electrical klutz so It will take me a bit of time!
I will get there eventually.
 
codekiddie said:
Any joy with the starter motor yet Rob :?
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As it happens.............yes.
The cigar goes to the fella who posted the correct answer a page or so back, QUOTE: "Check all the connections on the starter relay. I had that problem on mine, could hear the relay clicking but no action from the starter solenoid. Turned out to be a corroded lucar connector and an easy fix. I assume v8s have a similar relay to the 4cyls".
Tom
Tom, a Blankety Blank cheque book and pen to you!!!!!!!!! :D
Funnily enough, I did check it for good connections and corrosion ( as i checked all connections) when i first had the problem, hence I went on a wild goose chase. More fiddling after eliminating all other possibilities ( like changing the starter) led me back to the bloody regulator and more of a tap and fiddle had the engine turning over. Bugger :mrgreen:
Today I went on a nice long road trip from West Norfolk to WINS in East Grinstead Sussex with a shopping list of parts. Im currently half way through fitting a "proper" air box which, suprise, suprise isnt fitting on properly due to the previous bodgery with fuel pipes and so forth running at diagonals here and there. Im off tomorrow so i will be out buying fuel pipe and will have to relocate the electric fuel pump so it doesnt foul the air box, ya know, the usual stuff when you buy a dog eared car that has had well meaning owners......... :wink:
Ive got a steering wheel so I will actually be able to see how fast im going when its fitted. Its off a series one but im not fussed, its the proper wheel for a P6 and thats good enough for me for now.
I dont know how many people use WINS or what their opinion is of them but I found them good to deal with, I even got offered a cuppa when i arrived.
The car will soon look more like a P6 than it did before and once it is I can begin on any rot issues. I think the fettling with how it runs, and it doesnt run badly by any stretch, can wait, its not important, the car starts first time every time ( well it bloody will now) and she plods along as only a P6 can.
Onwards and upwards.
PS: Cheers for asking! :)
 
Air filter housing on, after having a fight with it, it lost, steering wheel on, pipes renewed/rerouted, electric fuel pump shifted temporarily and SHE RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Deep joy, deep joy, she eventually kicked into life and sounded glorious as only a V8 can.
I took her for a run and she is transformed. I need some expert opinion here to tell me whether its purely psychological or sodding about fitting the right airbox and filters in place of the cone ones previously fitted actually makes the car more responsive.
She feels sharper on the accelerator, far more punchy on kickdown and she actually feels like she knows what gear she is supposed to be in. Ive got to say that when i bought her i was a tad disappointed with the performance, which seemed sluggish, and there were times when you could almost hear her say " Am i in the right gear?" "What bloody gear am i supposed to be in now?"
She now seems far smoother, responsive and the gear changes seem to be smoother and right for the road speed. How odd.... :wink:
Steering wheel? 17 inch jobbie from a series one. I know there was some debate as to whether the 17 inch was too large for the PAS model but i will throw my hat into the ring and say that, to me, i cant see what difference an inch makes ( women up and down the country may well disagree) the PAS is beautifully weighted and direction changes only require minimal input and you still get excellent feedback from it. Just my opinion.
Today it felt like a stately home, as dog eared as she is, she is an outstanding piece of British engineering and its incredible that the model was conceived over 50 years ago. Ive owned modern "luxury cars" as well as MK1 Granada Ghias and the like, long before they were "Classic cars" and my baby widdles all over them.
Ive got to say, Im dead proud to own a P6 V8 and probably would feel just as proud to own a 2000/2200 such is the sheer quality of the marque.
Utter genius, such a pity we cocked the British Motor industry up!!!!
 
Hi Rob,

Some great results there, glad to hear that you are loving your Rover too... :D

As Rich alluded to, if the previous owner had fitted cone filters on the adapters but had not changed the needles to suit, then the engine will have been running lean to one degree or another. The only way to be sure is to remove the dashpots, lift out the pistons and have a look at the needles. I am assuming HIF6 in which case each needle is held in place by a grub screw. Once removed, the needle three letter code will be revealed.

In terms of a performance improvement, even if the correct needles had been fitted to accomodate the increased air flow of the cone filters, using the OEM air box with filters within actually improves engine torque delivery compared to the previous alternative. That also helps to explain why the acceleration feels sharper and kickdown far more punchy, as both these attributes stem from engine torque.

Cone filters on the adapters when paired with the correct needles do see the engine produce more top end power, but power and torque are not equivilent. For the Rover with an automatic transmission, torque delivery and the way in which it is provided by the V8 engine is of far greater significance.

Ron.
 
Glad you have made some good progress there Rob and are happy with the way she is running. I have had episodes with SU carbs not set up right but once the problems are sorted out, it transforms the car from pig to pleasure. SUs sometimes get a bit of a bad wrap but I think once they are set up properly, they make for nice torquey smooth driving. Also, once set up properly, they shouldn't give much trouble. Very glad also that you are seeing the light in terms of old skool Rover vs Ford. Though I did see a very nicely restored Escort MKII RS2000 at the weekend which I drooled at (only briefly mind)........
 
Thanks for all the feedback guys, appreciated.
I dont know bog all about SUs TBH, apart from them seeming to have a very good reputation ( from what ive read) as being a pretty trouble free carb.
I know the webers on the Ford V6s dont mind K&Ns bolted to them, they certainly make the engines feel more responsive but, im guessing here, the SUs on mine possibly were not rejetted to suit the cone filters. In actual fact, im looking at a bill that came with some paperwork showing that a previous owner spent £92.00 on a rebuild kit plus needles. Mind you there is another bill from Ely Service in Cambridgeshire totalling £750 for refaced cylinder heads, honed bores, polished crank etc, etc. The car has had a good few bob spent on it over the last few years its just that there is no tangible evidence that it has!!!
I always promised myself a P6 V8 ( never seemed to be one in my price range as i have to work to a budget) and Im chuffed that ive got one and, slowly but surely, Im making progress of sorts.
Oh, I certainly saw the light long ago in terms of Ford V Rover. My dads V8 series one was brilliant and compared to the Granada Ghia MK1 I owned years later, well, no comparison actually!! :D
 
Hi Rob .
Glad you got to the bottom of your starting issues and that you can use it and enjoy it a bit now . They are a fantastic car . Had a couple of v6 capris , and an se5a scimitar , nice , but a couple of things missing , you know what they are :!: :LOL:
Keep up the good work :D
 
Well after a long weekend in Paris and a day off Monday I decided to use Monday to get the car out of the garage and go for a little run. Its become apparent that since i replaced the cone filters with the PROPER filter housing/filters and rerun some of the pipe work the car, if left for a good few days, is very reluctant to start. much turning over eventually gets her firing up but, im certain, it started much quicker pre filter/hose work. Annuver thing to look at..
The rad has had a small dribble from the area below the bottom hose where the IIRC, cooler pipes connect up. Despite tightening the nut of the pipe it still leaked so, yesterday, i had the rad out. I ended up soldering around the threaded end ( that comes out of the rad) and it certainly stopped the leak.......its just that the other one is now leaking albeit a tiny tiny bit but it bloody leaks!!!!!! :wink:
Had to retighten the heater hose while i was doing the rad, despite tightening it up once already, it still leaked. Grazed knuckles and arms later i had managed to get the hose a tad more on and i did up the jubilee clip to the point where another turn would have it slipping and knackered. it doesnt leak now.
More exciting adventures in due course. :mrgreen:
 
Good, glad its not just mine, although mine has a tendency to need cranking for more than a few seconds.
Got home tonight and thought i d see if she would start as she had been in the garage for two days.
I turned her over and over and over and......bog all
Stopped doing it, waited a few seconds and did it again. Bugger me, id barely turned the key and she fired into life.
I just so love this car, its almost like a person ( an old person that smells a bit admittedly) and Im just so glad that fate played a hand in her purchase :D
Im just wondering why i had to go through three Scimitars and a Crapri 2.8 injection before I realised that a V8 Rover was "me".
Bugger.
 
Hi Rob check all the joints in the fuel lines , and the o ring in the fuel reserve . Replace it with one that won't degrade with unleaded fuel . Available from the usual suspects ! The job is more of a fiddle than hard work , find something to stem the flow while you do it though and put the fag out :!: Sounds like it might be letting air in somewhere and the fuel is running back to the tank . Might be worth thinking about a pump rebuild too , easy enough :D
 
stina said:
Hi Rob check all the joints in the fuel lines , and the o ring in the fuel reserve . Replace it with one that won't degrade with unleaded fuel . Available from the usual suspects ! The job is more of a fiddle than hard work , find something to stem the flow while you do it though and put the fag out :!: Sounds like it might be letting air in somewhere and the fuel is running back to the tank . Might be worth thinking about a pump rebuild too , easy enough :D
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You is well clever, aint ya!!! :D
The electric fuel pump is almost new ( previous owner fitted it) but you could well be right about the other points,I did have to fiddle around with the fuel lines to get it to all fit after putting on the air filter housing. Its probably something my sausage fingers did. :wink:
Thanks stina!!
 
DaveHerns said:
Are you turning the key and the starter isn't turning ? Probably a sticking solenoid
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Starter? Solenoid? Dont go there, dont go there, i have cold sweats about them!!!! :wink:
Nah, it turns over ok now it just takes a fair amount of cranking to fire her up but she does. As Stina has said, the possible reasons are fairly straightforwards to remedy and, as i said, its probably something ive done. At least she now feels like, sounds like and IS a Rover.
Progress is slow but its still progress. :D
 
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