Twin HIF6s into 2000 TC

Demetris

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As some of you may remember, i was considering a couple of months ago to convert my 2000 TC from twin HS8s to twin HIF6s.
I did not had any particular problem with the HS8s. A couple of years ago i rebuilt them changing with new parts anything that could be changed and i matched the pistons for falling time. They were running fine, the idle was reasonably stable, they turned up decent economy and they passed the emissions test every time.

But i always thought that they were rather oversized for a 2 litre engine and i was tempted to try a pair of smaller carbs as fitted to the 2200 engine.
An almost complete set have been sourced, and even though they looked filthy, they turned out to be rather healthy. Shafts and throttle plates were fine, but i had to renew all seals and gaskets, plus jets, needles and float valves.

Fitting them to the car was not straightforward. Due to the fact that the throttle uses a cable, i had to device something that linked the throttle pedal rod into the cable. I came up with something that although looks somewhat flimsy, works reasonably well, but still is not perfect. I would like some more leverage for a smoother action, but the space is rather restricted. The steering box, heater hoses, brake fluid reservoir and pipe are also crammed in there.

I also had to change the choke cables. There was no need to retain the complex twin cable system of the HS8s, but i wanted to keep the hooked choke control, just for the looks of it. I managed to remove the old wire from the rod, drill the rod and crimp a new longer inner wire. A lot of hassle really, and i am still not sure if it was worth it, but it works.

I still haven't connected the hot air intake system (i am also missing the cowling in the manifold) but i will try to do it later.

I managed to set them up without much trouble. The only problem is that it is a little difficult to reach the mixture control screw of the rear carb. It is rather close to the steering box and to make matters even more difficult the brake fluid pipe is also in there. I can just reach it with a screwdriver bit.
I did not had the chance to drive the car tonight, but certainly the idle is much more smoother, i would dare to say that it is as stable as in an injection engine. I will have to wait for real driving impressions though.
I will come back.
 

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Very shiny, Demetris! Did you have to change the inlet manifold as well? I presume the intake tracts are suited to the size of carb they carry. It took me a moment to get oreintated in your engine bay. Of course yours is LHD, so the space on the left hand side is far more cluttered than on an English car! I would imagine the throttle linkage would be somewhat easier on an English car for that reason.

Very keen to hear how it drives!

Chris
 
What about the air volume difference, your engine is going to be strangled for air in the upper RPM range!
 
czar said:
What about the air volume difference, your engine is going to be strangled for air in the upper RPM range!


I don't think so, the twin HIF6 were standard equipment on various engines with larger displacement, the 2200 4 cyl, the 2600 6 cyl SD1, the 3500 V8, one forum member has them even on his 4600 V8!
 
If it lost any off the top it would surely pick up some bottom and mid range :)

As already said, very shiny 8)

Let us know how it drives :)
 
Tonight i started it and went for a short drive around town.
With a few words ... hugely more civilised! :D

The weather here is still mild (around 20 C) but it started on full choke in less than a second cranking and after a few seconds i could put out the choke completely. It settled on a nice idle at about 650 rpm. When i was trying to rev it it would happily obey, no hesitations. Well, there were no hesitations with the HS8s either, but before it refused to idle smoothly until the oil got nice and warm. There is just no comparison.
Off we went and i think that it felt more lively. Certainly throttle response is better, you have just to touch the pedal and it accelerates instantly. What impressed me was that it would take top gear from 1000 rpm completely naturaly. Remember that i have fitted a V8 3.08:1 final drive.
It won't be until Friday that i will be able to take it out on the open road to have an idea of performance and fuel consumption. I have it tuned at 3,5% CO at idle.

The only negative points stem from the nature of the conversion itself. Mixture adjustment is just possible using only a screwdriver bit. But i guess i won't have to do it too often.
The throttles on the HIF6s need about 5,5 cm of travel. When i measured the travel of the throttle pedal rod i found it just adequate, so i went for a 1:1 leverage. But in practice this means that the pedal itself comes a little to high to be comfortable. Perhaps it is just a matter of getting used to it but i would like to get hold of the proper 2200 TC linkage (anyone has got any spare one?) or build something better myself.

In essence, i still wonder why Rover bothered with the 2 inch carbs in the first place.

Demetris
 
I'm glad to hear the conversion turns out as well as some of us thought it ought to!

How did you choose the needles? Just used standard 2200TC for the time being?

Chris
 
Chris, the needles are standard 2200 TC.
Also the inlet manifold is the same between the 2000 and 2200 models. I fitted a new one when i rebuilt the HS8s because the original was badly corroded.


Rockdemon, i think that 11 years is way too flat for a learning curve!
 
During the last couple of days i had the chance to take my TC to work and find out how it performs on the open road.
Not bad at all. The first run was at reasonable speeds and it can keep up to 60-70 mph with very small throttle openings. I guess this must be good news for fuel consumption.
Then i went to change the exhaust back box as it had started to be a little rot and rattle.
For exhausts i use a shop in a village near my work that has all the equipment to actually fabricate anything that you want (exhaustwise), he is very willing to discuss what is needed and what not, and his pricing is reasonable. We removed the old (standard) back box and we disected it to see what it looked like inside. Well, it is hard to imagine a more torturing route for the exhaust gasses in such a small place, with 3 different chambers. We thought it was way too restrictive and decided to take another route. A high volume glasswool filled straight through can with just a mild restriction in the middle. To be honest i was worried if the new setup was too loud for my liking but it turned out that it was actually more quiet. :shock:
So, now my car has three cans, the front and rear ones are straight through and the middle standard, and it is more quiet than the standard 2 can system. On the way home i found that the engine was happier to rev up to, the standard rear can was really too restrictive.
On a couple of times that the motorway was clear i floored it and it reached relatively easily 5000 rpm in top gear, which matched the indicated 180 Km/h or 112 MPH in the speedo. :D I have never had it at such a speed before and if you wondered what it was like i can tell you that it wasn't too bad regarding stability and noise but the mirrors folded themselves and the wippers started to move up to the screen. :shock:
Having in mind that the current throttle cable setup will not allow wide open throttle plates, i firmly believe that the 1 3/4 carbs are not at all restrictive.
Also fuel consumption seems a little better, but i will confirm this when my driving style will return to normal. At the moment i am enjoying the extra torque.

Still wondering what Rover were thinking with the 2 inch carbs. :?:
 
They look good? :mrgreen:

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Sounds like a great mod !

On a couple of times that the motorway was clear i floored it and it reached relatively easily 5000 rpm in top gear, which matched the indicated 180 Km/h or 112 MPH in the speedo. I have never had it at such a speed before and if you wondered what it was like i can tell you that it wasn't too bad regarding stability and noise but the mirrors folded themselves and the wippers started to move up to the screen.

I once had my old 2.2TC convertible up to 115mph on the speedo (with the roof down), it was pretty windy, friend sat in the back had to hide behind the front seats ! :LOL: The driver of the 911 that I passed looked very suprised :LOL:
 
webmaster said:
I once had my old 2.2TC convertible up to 115mph on the speedo (with the roof down), it was pretty windy, friend sat in the back had to hide behind the front seats ! :LOL:

I guess the roof wouldn't stand a chance if it was up :LOL: but your friend did his best to help with streamlining, like 16 year olds in mopeds leaning down behing the fairing to increase top speed. :LOL:
 
I am coming up on this again as now i can be sure about the results of the modification.
It still remains hugely more civilised with the HIF6's in comparison with the standard HS8's (that were also rebuilt with new parts). It is almost like having fuel injection, while the responce and available torque from 1000 rpm upwards with small throttle openings is very pleasing. Now that i have settled down to my normal driving style the fuel consumption is an overall 34 mpg. A rather impressive improvement over the standard 2000 TC. However, this is mostly down to the V8 final drive, but i think that the smaller carbs helped too.
I cannot help thinking that by 1970, Rover should have really launched the series 2, 4 cyl cars with a 5 speed gearbox and twin HIF6 carbs as standard. Both these improvements would have made the car so much better to drive, and wouldn't really cost that much.

Demetris
 
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