Wheel options

mescko

New Member
Ok, gang, I mentioned bunging up pics of my TC with aftermarket wheel choices. I got a new computer on 'Black Friday' with more memory and speed, so I now have a slightly old version of Photoshop running. Figured it out enough to get my 'wheel simulator' up an running. First up is the Verde Regency wheel. It is a mesh style:



Second is the verde Protocol. I'm including these because they suggest (to me) Magstars:



Third up is the ESM-002. These are a copy of the famous BBS RS wheel of the 80's:



What do y'all think? I'll reserve my own opinion 'til you've had a chance to look. You can click on the images to go to my Webshots page and look at them fullscreen.

Scott
Salem, OR
 
out of the three, the bbs style is a clear winner. For me, darker contrasting centres would be nice- am i a little biased? :wink:
 
corazon said:
out of the three, the bbs style is a clear winner. For me, darker contrasting centres would be nice- am i a little biased? :wink:
Me too on both counts :)
 
corazon said:
out of the three, the bbs style is a clear winner. For me, darker contrasting centres would be nice- am i a little biased? :wink:

As a matter of fact, that's just what I was thinking, paint the centres grey to match the car. The ESM wheel is available with a grey centre, but the only version of the wheel that will fit size-wise is the silver version. As it is they will have to drill them for me.
 
Another vote for the same combo! Painting the centres will make them much more discreet and more in character with the car.

Chris
 
If you're thinking of oversized wheels with black and chrome bits on them, I'd say P5B chromed rostyles....?

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This pic (and more) are in a great thread from a while ago - a sort of picture repository of all sort of wheel options for a P6 - mags, wires, everything! Hang on..... here is it

Michael
 
definately the BBS copies.
BUT, I have misgivings...
In the past, I had 2 Alfas (75 S and 33 16v), with 17 and 16 inch rims respectively.
Both looked great. 8)
However, the downsides FAR outweighed any upside.
On the 75, the ride was less forgiving but at least tolerable...on the 33 the car LITERALLY began to shake itself to bits...interior trim had more squeaks and rattles than a bagful of mice and rattlesnakes. The suspension crashed horrendously. :x
In terms of handling...EVERYTHING changed. At normal to middling speeds, the roadholding was improved, but as you pushed into the cars dynamic envelope, the best way to describe what happened was "diabolical treachery". :shock:
The 75 felt great...then would let go in a "SUDDEN INSTANT". Just when you REALLY needed the front end to stick, it would COMPLETELY break away.
I punted off on two tight corners...instant and terminal understeer on turn in.
Having tried to kill me twice, this naturally slowed my entry speeds to all corners.
As such, i endeavored to compensate by getting on the power as early as i could...same result (except at the back wheels)...feels real secure...then suddenly and without any warning...instant breakaway at the rear...necessitating rapid and decisive oppy lock.
The 33 (always a more forgiving car...but will still bite if your too cavalier) lost its ability to be balanced with wheel and throttle. Yeah it "hung on better", but instead of getting a balanced and tenacious slide through a longer corner, the rear end now had so much grip that the front would push on with annoying understeer. Nothing as deadly as the 75...but the "balance" was lost.
In both cars, everything went up a level in the wet.

In examining the "whys", it soon became pretty obvious...it was the wheels and the resulting low profile rubber.
It really is true that these cars were engineered the way they were for a reason.
That type of wheel/tyre combo just wasnt around in those days.
By using such, i was basically screwing up all the work the factory had put into the cars to make them such fine handlers in their day.
These older cars' suspensions are DESIGNED to NEED a certain amount of sideways tyre movement.
The bodies roll...then settle...and commit.
When you know what Alfa intended, they are very very satisfying to drive fast; because you can rely on the car to be predictable."
(If you dont know the "Alfa way", or insist on doing it "your way"...the car WILL bite you on the ar#@ very quickly)

I suspect the same principal holds true for the P6.
You can bet Rover put a LOT of time and effort into the ride and handling of the car...17 inch wheels etc were never part of their equations.
Yes there will be certain benefits...looks...roadholding...up to a point.
But will the "whole" be compromised?
As I am fond of saying to the kids at school..."It only takes one pulled thread to unravel a jumper".
Having relayed my Alfa experience, i do understand your motivation for the wheels...they look great. Just remember the possible unintended consequences. :)
 
An interesting perspective. I realize this is a big unknown. I will be breaking out of the cars envelope, we will just see what happens. I realize that it doesn't always work to ask an older piece of machinery to perform to modern standards. I love the p6 style, but the driving experience is just a little too stately for me. On the other hand, if I had wanted a (modern) motor that looks like a four-wheeled turd, I would have bought one. I just hope, when the car is done, it will perform like these fast turds do. I've got BMWs to shock (sorry about that last swear :mrgreen: ).
 
Hi,

If you want your P6 to perform then there are things way further up the priority list than fitting oversized wheels.

Our road rally car constantly amazes people with its agility and quite frankly out right speed when it comes to a more open track based tests :D and it runs on standard wheels and tyres.

Springs, dampers, Front ABR, harder bushes, shell stiffening etc………….. all will reap more benefit for your buck than expensive wheels.

I know it’s a personal thing but I really don’t get the whole style rather than performance modification culture, don’t think it’s an age thing as I’ve always been like this.

I’ve never been terribly bothered by how cars look but I would say that I don’t think old cars look right on modern wheels.

Tim
 
There are a couple of alloy Rostyle/Magnum lookalikes for classic American iron out there that I would love to have, but they just won't fit, older Yank Tanks run zero offset for the most part. The BBS look-alikes suggest wire wheels to me, I'm certainly not going to fit chromed pimpmobile cheese slicers.
 
mescko said:
I've got BMWs to shock (sorry about that last swear :mrgreen: ).
Steadyyyyy... 8)

The right rim can finish off a nicely sorted car something proper I think, shame there's not a lot to choose from for the P6 at all. In terms of road holding and behavior it's not the rim that makes a car suddenly lose composure but the rubber. I do think a higher profile can help combat the sudden loss of grip but not by much. The rest of it, in my view, is a trade-off - more grip and noise vs. comfort and less precision. On my other car (guess what it is) I run Goodyear Eagle F1 Asym. 2s in a 45 profile on 17-inch rims and they're quite fantastic, and they let you know when they're about to let go. But I wouldn't run anything bigger than 15 on the Rover I think, not as long as I'm not after a sports setup and not least due to noise suffered with low profiles.
 
I did a little fiddling, here it is with the 'meshies' painted grey:



I like to call it 'aggressive elegance'.
 
mescko said:
I did a little fiddling, here it is with the 'meshies' painted grey:



I like to call it 'aggressive elegance'.

I agree :D
I say go for it its definatley a 70's look so for me it works I have the sd1 vitesse wheels with black centres and polished dish.
 
On one of my Mazdas, I had a wheel that's known in Australia as the "hotwire". Basically it's a crossed spoke alloy wheel (like the SD1 vitesse wheel).

Had the wheel inner mesh part powder coated black, outer lip polished up, chrome centre caps and chrome wheel nuts (mazda have screw in wheel studs so they were topped with little domes).

Looked fantastic with 60 profile rubber, slightly lowered so that the guard was about a finger width above the top of the tyre. Handled like a go kart as well.

^ I like the last one, just needs a tad more tyre sidewall height.
 
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