Why blame cars?!

darth sidious

darth sidious

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Some in the environmentalist brigade would love nothing more than to see classic/older cars, vans, etc off the road because of how much they allegedly pollute.

This is footage of a classic class 37 diesel train being started from cold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpQivta6MQ

Look at the amount of smoke that emits! I admit, the smoke output does decrease when the engine is at normal working temperature, but that is also true of cars!

I hasten to add I'm a train fan too, but why is it that cars et al get blamed for smog/bad air quality, when trains seem to be worse!
 
Cars get blamed because they're easy to generate extra tax revenue from under the guise of combatting "Climate Change"
(Notice how nobody seems to be using the phrase "Global Warming" any more?)
What a load of old....
Somebody lock this thread as we all know where it'll end up.
 
harveyp6 said:
Somebody lock this thread as we all know where it'll end up.
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Perhaps I shouldn't have asked this question?

Just annoys me how cars get blamed for things that others do much the same, if not worse!
 
And do not forget that all of these subliminal groups need subsidies from the Government.

Of course they wouldn't achieve a single penny if they do not make noise, a lot of noise.


Greets
 
darth sidious said:
harveyp6 said:
Somebody lock this thread as we all know where it'll end up.
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Perhaps I shouldn't have asked this question?

Just annoys me how cars get blamed for things that others do much the same, if not worse!
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..before it does get locked....

Deforestation causes more CO2 emissions than GLOBAL transport.. :shock:

The population growth is unsustainable.. ( = the 'elephant in the room") :roll:

The Green Party reckon the government's scrappage scheme should be designed encourage owners to keep cars for 20 years, not 10 - this cycle would reduce energy consumption by a whopping 42%..! What does this translate into for classic owners? 8)

Blah, blah, blah!

Sorry for that, but I feel a bit better now :LOL:
 
Well done Phil! The number of people who can get the various bits of science around global warming in perspective are minuscule! I particularely agree with your comment on the "elephant in the room" of global population. As a frequent resident of Thailand I've spent a bit of effort to discover the likely effects on various regions and countries. To my delight Thailand and the UK are about the only two countries in the entire world to see a reasonably outcome. Africa is stuffed, India is stuffed and large parts of China are stuffed. These are largely where the runaway population growths have occoured, so perhaps there is something in this GAIA nature taking care of natural imbalances thing after all. (This not to imply anything racial, just a few facts)

The worry of course is that to get back to something more tennable, we all have to control our world the other way. This means not just going to zero carbon solutions but achieving an overall carbon capture. And that really won't be easy.

Chris
 
Water vapour is by far the biggest green house gas. Wait 'til they start taxing that! :shock:

People who exercise, breathe out more C02 and a lot more water vapour. Tax the gyms and all joggers.

Hydrogen cars are green! No they aren't as they produce emmisions - Water vapour.

Electric cars are green! No they aren't, they produce a lot of CO2 from the plant which makes the electrcity and also produce a lot of batteries which need to be disposed of when past their life. Most are made abroad as well and need to be shipped here.

Green cars are name as such by how much money the government or members of the governmet can make. This was from the time that larger cars were going to be hit by huge road tax which would be back dated several years

Tim Yeo used his casting vote as chairman of the all-party Environmental Audit Select Committee to push through a report, published last week, which backed the decision by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, that new, higher rates of vehicle excise duty (VED) rates should apply to previously-purchased cars.

and

Tim Yeo is paid £40,000 a year as non-executive chairman of Eco City Vehicles Plc, a company which plans to market a hybrid car which would qualify for low rates of VED under the new tax regime, due to its low carbon emissions.
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Global warming?
snowshepcote.jpg

This was Shepcote Lane this morning, a main thoroughfare off the M1 into Sheffield City Centre. I have never in my life seen it like this before.
 
quattro said:
Tim Yeo used his casting vote as chairman of the all-party Environmental Audit Select Committee to push through a report, published last week, which backed the decision by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, that new, higher rates of vehicle excise duty (VED) rates should apply to previously-purchased cars.

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Tim Yeo is paid £40,000 a year as non-executive chairman of Eco City Vehicles Plc, a company which plans to market a hybrid car which would qualify for low rates of VED under the new tax regime, due to its low carbon emissions.
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:roll: :roll: :roll:

And this is why no-one trusts anything that politicians say any more.

I personally do think that some sort of climate change is happening, though how much is man-made is questionable. However, any necessary emissions reduction would be easily achieved if humanity cut out waste. Us westerners apparently throw away 1/3rd of all our food - imagine if that was saved - & the consequent resources...
But, here's the rub: How many jobs would go? Lorry builders / drivers / depots / packers / manufacturers / growers / suppliers & servicers to the food industry etc, etc. :?
 
Only the other week I read that farm animals are responsible for global warming because of the methane they produce when they f*rt

Simple fact is that the world is overcrowded
 
actually this cold snap IS consistant with the predictions for the UK as a result of global warming. oughly - the climate returns to the norm for our lattitude. Although the climate for the lattitude is a few degrees warmer than it used to be, we've been accustomed to much warmer thanks to the winter Atlantic Conveyor. The latter is diverted by climate change, so we actually finish up colder!

Chris
 
Before we do lock the topic, I want my 2p worth !! :D

Can anybody explain why we have virtually zero tax on aviation fuel, a huge percentage of which is purely used for non-essential Holiday flights, whereas we pay massive tax on road fuel, the vast majority of which is used for essential day to day travel.

Hydrogen cars are interesting, large amounts of energy are required to extract the Hyrdrogen in the first place, which is generated by.....

As stated the planet is overpopulated, and it's getting worse very quickly, unless we get a handle on that we're stuffed, regardless of climate change etc.
 
webmaster said:
Before we do lock the topic, I want my 2p worth !! :D

Can anybody explain why we have virtually zero tax on aviation fuel, a huge percentage of which is purely used for non-essential Holiday flights, whereas we pay massive tax on road fuel, the vast majority of which is used for essential day to day travel.
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I think a lot of it has to do with how large the companies are that use jet a1, and that the common motorist as a whole sits divided unwilling to stand up together and take any action.

It's not all good in aviation though, where I work all our planes are on avgas, 100 octane leaded petrol where I am, and it is I think about £1.30 per litre at the moment, and still rising :(
 
webmaster said:
Can anybody explain why we have virtually zero tax on aviation fuel, a huge percentage of which is purely used for non-essential Holiday flights, whereas we pay massive tax on road fuel, the vast majority of which is used for essential day to day travel.
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Again it's down to politics, Richard.

Flight is international & unless other countries were to tax the fuel in the same way, airlines would buy overseas - just like continental lorries filling up in France. :roll:
 
Phil Robson said:
webmaster said:
Can anybody explain why we have virtually zero tax on aviation fuel, a huge percentage of which is purely used for non-essential Holiday flights, whereas we pay massive tax on road fuel, the vast majority of which is used for essential day to day travel.
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Again it's down to politics, Richard.

Flight is international & unless other countries were to tax the fuel in the same way, airlines would buy overseas - just like continental lorries filling up in France. :roll:
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In one Phil...

They can not even agree a standard rate on Aviation Fuel across the EU.....
 
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