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p5bmonkey

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RUTH... aka ROOF..... get it !

Anyway... i am thinking of converting from series 5 to series 6, as at face value the 6's would appear to have more options... that plus the fact that the chairman of the p5 owners club owns a p6!!!!!

My question is... can you take the roof off a p6... fit a soft top... and have a four door convertable??????

In my infinate ignorance :LOL: the roof is held on by eight bolts, and not big ones at that, and lets face it, as roofs go, the p6 roofs are a tad flimsy, which begs the question, how can something that flimsy be structural ?

More so when i've just seen several pictues of an entire glass roof that looks totally mental if i'm completely honest.


Now then... as with all collective groups, there will exist certain parties who consider themselves authorities on certain subjects, and can no doubt quote chapter and verse from their book of opinions... however, as well meaning as these individuals may be... for this particular issue... i would like hard facts only please :idea:

I am not being obtuse here :twisted: its just that i would rather not entertain notions based on folk law tales that have been handed down through the generations :mrgreen:


Whoever has ventured on a quest similar to this one... and come out the other side with most of their faculties still intact....... start talking...... NOW!


Cheers!
 
It is not the strength of the roof panel which matters, but the strength of all the bits of the base unit which you will saw off.


Women who sets fire to her gas bill?


Bernadette - eh? eh? :shock: :D
 
you mean two door posts at half mast?

man with overcoat in cemetary... max by graves

geddit :mrgreen: :LOL:




quattro said:
It is not the strength of the roof panel which matters, but the strength of all the bits of the base unit which you will saw off.


Women who sets fire to her gas bill?


Bernadette - eh? eh? :shock: :D
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NOOOOOOOOO!

dont like webasto :roll: ... i'm selling one on ebay for 200 quid... cut it out of my p5 :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: .

i want the full convertable look 8) ... windows down :shock: , arms on door tops :oops: .

man with shovel... doug



grifterkid said:
You should fit a Webasto... That's just as good as a rag top...

Man with a car on his head...? Jack...!
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You should really do a full on convertible with all the extra strengthening needed.

man who had his car nicked! "carlos"
 
I really have no idea why someone would want to remove the roof.... the P6 looks much nicer as a tin top :D

Man with plank on his head - Edward
Man with three planks on his head - Edward Woodward
Man with sea birds nesting on his head - Cliff

Sorry :? :wink:
 
I want to do a full on convertable... however i need some advice about stuctural issues first init.

man with loads of coats... max a million


pilkie said:
You should really do a full on convertible with all the extra strengthening needed.

man who had his car nicked! "carlos"
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I want to remove the roof as it would turn the car into a convertable init :mrgreen:

Man with a backside made out of metal..... nickle arse... :idea:
Man who designs French beach wear... Phillipe flop... :|
Man who dresses up in winter... Mahat Macoat.... :roll:




Phoenix said:
I really have no idea why someone would want to remove the roof.... the P6 looks much nicer as a tin top :D

Man with plank on his head - Edward
Man with three planks on his head - Edward Woodward
Man with sea birds nesting on his head - Cliff

Sorry :? :wink:
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Twin Plumb 3500... please stop showing your ignorance and wind your neck in.

Initially you say the jokes are cr*p... then promptly write one yourself... duh.

Then if that ain't bad enough, you feel the urge to drop it down at least six levels, no doubt to fit in with your own level of mentality... or lack of.

A China man called "Wang Ker" would have been a better choice, but anyway, the main point here is your ignorance, because had you read the whole listing properly, i still have a P5B and am thinking about switching to P6's... However, before i make such a jump, i need to find someone who has created a four door convertable P6... hence the listing, which means that your lame, "Wayne Kerr" joke is like its creator... totally void, as to date... i haven't even purchased a P6... let alone cut the roof off it.


Man who steams in with all guns blazing, leading with his chin, hitting first and asking questions later, which is based on the assumption that he actually had the ability to communicate in the first place... Ron... Mo Ron :mrgreen:



TwinPlenum3500S said:
These jokes are cr*p, U lot are on drugs!!

Man who cuts roof off of P6 without knowing about need to stiffen chassis...... Wayne Kerr
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Now , now , lets all be friendly

My tasteless contribution-
Frank Bruno is bringing out a toaster along the lines of the George Foreman grill. Trouble is it does 2 rounds then breaks down..........

P5b Monkey - do you plan on keeping the door frames and roof edge or going for a frameless design where all 4 windows can be wound down leaving open sides ( like the 60's american cars ) ? I've seen the former on 4 door XJ6's but the latter only on the 2 door coupe shell
 
There are some pics out there, but a convertible seems a rare bird, there is an article in the resources section of the forum.

Man with tit on head.....Charlie


Graeme
 
Hmm, four door convertible, I did consider that at one time, make the rear doors suicide to take the load off the b/c post, just like a Lincoln Continental.

As stated the roof is quite weak on a P6, although the panel itself is fairly irrelevent, the pillars are quite feeble, this can be seen in the head-on crash tests where the windscreen pillars fold at the dashboard level. I certainly wouldn't want to be in one if it rolled at speed.

The floor pan of a P6 is strong enough to become a 2 door convertible without additional strengthening, as proven by the prototype, however that's 2 door. When I built my convertible I added 2 extra sill sections one external and one internal, just in case, and this certainly prevented any movement, the thing was rock solid after 12/13 years, and suffered far less scuttle shake than the wifes modern 200 cabrio.

I'm just not sure what it would do without the rear doors, there is a substantial cross beam at the front of the rear seats, but this does little to stop the thing folding in half. Also, having removed the B/C post myself, I can say they're not the strongest structure in the world, so as I stated at the start, I'd at least go for suicide rear doors. You could easily add extra strength into the sill areas (after making sure they're still in one piece after 40 years), plenty of room between the main outer sill and the cover sill. You may also want to fillet the join between the sill and the front bulkhead.

To be honest, all you can do is cut it off and see what happens, but that's not very scientific. :D

I do actually think they look good with the roof removed, but then I would say that !

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A "T" bar like a Triumph Stag might hold it all together but would spoil the open air effect

What prevented the Lincoln Continental from folding up (or did it?)
 
Had a ride in a Coni a very long time ago. 7 ltrs and felt totally unsafe above 25mph - floating and flexing all over the road - and that one had a roof!

I disagree with Richard on the B posts being adequate to support the rear doors on a convertible. The P6 was designed as a pillarless four door with frameless windows and at least the first five prototypes were built like that. The switch to a full B post and framed windows is most likely to have been to achieve wind sealing and quietness rather than strength. David Bache's P5 Coupe was originally similarely frameless and pillarless and morphed to the familiar layout at about the same time as his P6 did (ie in 1960!)

Richards sill mods are a good idea though and can be applied to a four door just as easily as a two door.

I'd be a tad concerned that there would be enough space behind the D post on a four door to be able to construct the rear end folding mechanism bit of the hood. You've got around 3 inches behind the back of the rear window to play with but there isn't a lot of length?

If you're going to all this effort I'd be inclined to add a bit of length to make the rear seat experience less cramped. Perhaps use a manual prop shaft with an automatic car? You could retain standard doors and simply erect TWO B posts and plate over the gap between them with a slice of door skin. Should sort out any issues of how strong the B post is too! Easily achieved simply by using two base units and using front half and a bit of one and back half and a bit of the other.

Chris
 
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