A 'gentle' rebuild of my 3500

Good job on your wheels Mike, immensely satisfying feeling finishing them isn't it? :D
Think of all the money you've saved as well :wink:
Look forward to seeing them fitted up. I say go with the nuts as they are, I like mine black but I think it will suit your white car better to leave them.
The best part is when you go for the first drive!
Jim
 
Well the general consensus is unanimous, they will not be painted! Thank god because I'm fed up with aiming anyway :LOL:

Thanks for the feedback chaps :D

Thanks Jim, I was getting a bi down hearted at one point because they were taking ages and did consider just getting them powder coated silver but I'm glad I didn't :D :D
 
I have fitted my wheels :D

I have test driven the car and the handling and ride are totally transformed :shock: My old tyres definitely had flat spots and the rubber was hard because now it glides over the bumps, doesn't squeal or under steer on roundabouts and most importantly the vibration experienced at 70mph where by the steering wheel would shake has now gone. I will admit it accelerated smoothly up to 95 mph with a rock steady steering wheel :D I can't wait to try them in the wet, my confidence in the car has gone up immensely.


image by mikeyp78, on Flickr


image by mikeyp78, on Flickr

Fitting was straight forward as well. Fronts went on without any bother once I fitted the SD1 bearing caps. I was prepared to have to fettle the rear arches but it appears that I have almost two inches clearance on both sides by the D-post and plenty of clearance up in the arch. Admittedly I haven't had a full load in the car yet but hard cornering round the round about caused no fouling. Its quite amazing how much clearance there is compared to other cars I've seen. One very happy chap :D :D


image by mikeyp78, on Flickr
Clearance on the N/S


image by mikeyp78, on Flickr
Clearance on the O/S
 
Looking good Mike
Strange just how much difference they make isn't it? You have to drive it to believe it..
The handling in the wet from my experience is not very compromised at all!
Your photos have highlighted just how low mine is sitting/sagging at the back currently :shock:
I guess this is actually one of the main reasons some people have fitment issues
Jim
 
Looks superb Mike :D It is amazing the difference that good tyres can make. If your old ones were over 5 years old, that will also partly explain their decline.

Are they 60 series or 65 as you were initially going for?

Ron.
 
corazon said:
Your photos have highlighted just how low mine is sitting/sagging at the back currently :shock:
I guess this is actually one of the main reasons some people have fitment issues
Jim

I did fitted new rear springs and shocks last year but I actually thought its was too high and was a little jealous of the lower riding cars, but now these wheels are on it looks right. I think you might have a point about the fitment issues and sagging suspension because I have LOADS of room and the build tolerance can't be that different from car to car. Maybe its because mine is a later car and all of the cars I have seen and know of with Vitesses alloys are either L or M reg or even older :?

SydneyRoverP6B said:
Looks superb Mike :D It is amazing the difference that good tyres can make. If your old ones were over 5 years old, that will also partly explain their decline.

Are they 60 series or 65 as you were initially going for?

Ron.

The old ones were 10 years old Ron and the car had spent alot of those years just parked up, and after I took them off I noticed one had a bit of a bulge in it as well :shock:
The tyres are the 205 65 15's I initially wanted, when I stood one of these against the old wheels, which were fitted with incorrect 175/80 14 tyres, they were slightly taller and obviously as close to original spec as possible. I wonder if this in itself will make any difference i.e speedo calibration or maybe gearing?

rockdemon said:
look fantastic. A little smidgen of jealousy from these quarters ;)

Cheers Rich, get some on yours, but they do take bloody ages to refurbish if you go DIY :wink:

stina said:
Very very nice Mike , looks great :D

Thanks Stina :)

mrtask said:
Great job! Looking really good. 8)

:D
 
Hi Mike,

My understanding is that tyres that have a rolling diameter smaller than the optimum see a reduction in actual road speed compared to what the speedo actually reads. So as an example, at 60mph as shown by the speedo, the actual road speed is less. With tyres that have a rolling diameter larger than the optimum the converse is true, so an indicated 60mph is actually less than the real road speed. The variations will of course be dependant upon the degree with which the tyre deviates from the optimum.

Ron.
 
Those new wheels look spectacular on your car! I'm very impressed, and I think the colour really makes them! The tyres on my 3500 are okay, but they're not quite the right size, and are 5 years old, or so. As such, if I can get some decent tyres, of the right size, I reckon I'll be a lot more confident in using the car.
 
FrazzleTC said:
Those new wheels look spectacular on your car! I'm very impressed, and I think the colour really makes them! The tyres on my 3500 are okay, but they're not quite the right size, and are 5 years old, or so. As such, if I can get some decent tyres, of the right size, I reckon I'll be a lot more confident in using the car.

Thanks Fraser, I know some of the guys on here have done the same but they do tie in nicely withe the black and white. New tyres always make a big difference especially if the old ones have been on a while with little use, but part of my reason for changing to the 15 inch rims was the better availability and price of the tyres, theres more choice than the 14's and at better prices. I decided on middle of the range Kuhmo's as we have them on my wifes car and for the money that are very good :D
 
Mike,

What a transformation! Not sure if its the the white paintwork that makes the difference, but the black/chrome combo really works.

Also somewhat amazed by the D post clearance you seem to have with 65 profile. Just shows davey one may have been fettling too enthusiastically at the time! :wink:

With 205/60s on Occie I still needed a (gentle) helping jack on the nearside.



Being late to the thread, no point now adding my vote for unpainted nuts but I would have done. Pleased you're chuffed.

Stan
 
Mikep said:
but part of my reason for changing to the 15 inch rims was the better availability and price of the tyres, theres more choice than the 14's and at better prices. I decided on middle of the range Kuhmo's as we have them on my wifes car and for the money that are very good

Very nice indeed Mike! The black centres really accentuate the nice polished rims superbly 8)

Also, I can recommend your choice of tyres. I have had Kumho's on my SD1(same wheels)for the last 10-years and they still have a subtantial tread left on them, bar one that had a puncture(replaced with new). Also I found that the tracking needs to be spot on, as I did wear a couple down on the edges after a few months of driving around with iffy tracking; but they're still on the car.

As for handling, I haven't had any scary moments at all with this brand of tyre. I think the icing on the cake for me was the price. Even 10-years ago I was impressed by the £33-each fitted :D

I look forward to seeing them at some point.
 
That's really smart Mike, the hard work has paid off.

Silver bolts make the perfect finishing touch in my opinion.
 
testrider said:
That's really smart Mike, the hard work has paid off.

Silver bolts make the perfect finishing touch in my opinion.

Thanks Paul, leaving them silver also gave me less work to do :D
 
ooking great, Mike!

I too am amazed at the amount of clearance at the back. Just shows how variable P6 base units are!

How have the bigger tyres affected the weight of your steering? On mine they actually made it lighter.

Chris

PS, with 205/65, your speedo now reads spot on.
 
chrisyork said:
ooking great, Mike!

I too am amazed at the amount of clearance at the back. Just shows how variable P6 base units are!

How have the bigger tyres affected the weight of your steering? On mine they actually made it lighter.

Chris

PS, with 205/65, your speedo now reads spot on.

Thanks Chris :D

The steering isn't any heavier lets put it that way, can't say I've noticed it being lighter as such but the steering has far more 'feel', it's not the same car.
 
Since the oil change last year I have been meaning to fit the replacement sump I had because of the very leaky gasket and bodged sump plug repair. It was a job that I wasn't looking forward to because of the fiddly location of a couple of bolts and the oil cooler pipes for the gearbox were blocking the two rear bolts :(

Anyway, I tackled the job last week and the first thing I had to do was undo the oil cooler pipes so I could drop them to undo the rear sump bolts. Due the small space in the transmission tunnel and the exhaust being in the way I cut down an old spanner to under the unions, this took forever. After undoing the cooler pipes at the radiator end as well I was able to drop them sufficiently to gain access to the bolts. Once all the sump bolts had been removed I was hoping the sump would be pulled out without removing the downpipe section that crosses under the sump as I asked the exhaust fabricator to give me some clearance to do this. He did but it wasn't enough so I removed the drivers side downpipe and loosened the passenger side one and hey presto the sump came off :D


Sump removed as well as downpipe.


You can see the shape of the oil pipes in order to wrap round the sump.


There were a few lumps of sludgy oil but the sump was surprisingly sludge free and cleaner than I suspected.


In hindsight I should have removed the oil pickup and cleaned up but I didnt have a replacement gasket but from what I could see the strainer was clear. However I did pick this lump off it and upon pulling it apart it seemed to hair :shock: I can only guess it got in there when the sump was last off :?


Replacement sump with gasket ready to fit.


New sump on and nice looking nice and clean :D


New sump on and nice looking nice and clean :D

Refitting was certainly easier because the exhaust was hanging slightly and allowed me to get my arms in to re-attach the cooler pipes. Why I didn't drop it before god only knows.
I also took the oppurtunity to replace the oil, which was Halfords Classic for a high ZDDP rated oil from Millers. Since doing this last week I have checked the drip tray under the car, which had paper towel in it, and Im pleaesed to say no leaks so it would appear that all the oil leaking was just from the sump :D

Another thing that has been bugging me over recent weeks has been the ride height at the back of my car. Having been to a number of shows recently I have been able to compare my car to others and it does appear mine sits at least an inch too high. This observation coupled with other peoples comments had me wondering about the new springs I fitted. I purchased 'heavy duty' springs which probably explains the rather hard ride but I also assumed that because they were that stiff the car wasnt sitting properly. I remembered I had taken a phot of a new and old spring when I changed them.



When I compared the springs my initial thought, other than the old spring leaning to one side, was how much shorter it was. I stupidly thought that was down to sagging but looking at it again today I have noticed the old spring has six coils and the new one has seven :shock: The extra coil will explain the higher ride height. How can this be the case, I assumed the 'heavy duty' springs would be the same height just 'beefier' perhaps. Suffice to say now I have this information I will be looking at changing them to drop the car down a bit.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
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