(Budget) Historic Rally Car Project

Just put a video up on youtube of the car autotesting ending with a 360+270 final cone. I've then split the screen and show the car up against a Midget, guess which is quicker.....??
See http://youtu.be/rM3UIPDtsVI V8 Autotest Rover P6 vs Midget



This not my best 360 others where much tighter to the cones. Here I didn't have enough revs on to spin up the tyres when starting the 360 and also I was carring to much speed into the 360.
Gav.
 
Here are a couple of photos:
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There are more starting at
http://www.stopastride.com/gallery/...ly-2012-rce-part1/intbdrally2012-1864#joomimg

Finally:
In keeping with the sweeney image, here we are just after picking up a Maze Prison Escapee (that will confuse a Google search).
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The Long Kesh site was originally a RAF airfield and used for motorsport curcuit racing until the Maze Prison was built. The prison is partially demolished waiting our thugs in suits (N.Irish Politions) to decide how much taxes should be spent on keeping it. It fitting that the first use of the old prison site is again motorsport. Just a few people having a laugh and fun without harming anyone.
 
Excellent video & pic's Gavin - really enjoyed the P6/Midget "head to head" thing. Don't want to give the game away. However, very close and very impressive given that a P6 must weigh about twice as much as a Midget!
 
Superb job! It's amazing the transformation you've made to the car! Looks very competitive in the videos, and makes me want to go to see more historic rallying this year!
 
Hi All,

Just thought I’d post quickly to let you know that development off our P6 continues and we, or more correctly at the moment Gavin, is still competing away in her. Car and crew are getting ever more competitive and the car is now raising eyebrows for all the right reasons.

Gavin keeps his blog up-to-date with his exploits.

http://p6v8.wordpress.com/

Thanks, Tim
 
Hi All,

Gavin and I competed in one of the very well-run but quite relaxed TSCC (Thoroughbred Sports Car Club) evening Autotests a week or so back, my first competitive drive in the car since Gavin did all the work to the rear end. The evening went very well, the car now "does autotests" rather than just muddles it's way through. We really surprised our fellow competitors with both are commitment and more importantly our times, especially on test 2 which was very tight but our best times put us amongst the Midgets, and a head of all the MX5s etc... :LOL: No mean feet in such a large (by MG Midget standards) car. Some more grip would have, I'm sure, helped, 6 new tyres now bought :roll:

http://www.tsccni.info/2013/06/16/june- ... d-results/

Our next outing is this Saturday at some place called Gaydon, bit of a journey to get there but I'm told we could find some kindred spirits there 8)

Thanks, Tim

PS Check out our stuff forsale.
 
I too am looking forward to a road trip in a car well suited to a Grand Tour. As Tim pointed out we'll be autotesting our GT car at Gaydon :D and then sitting in a field, with the engine turned off :cry: , the next day. Please come over have a chat and look under the skin of the car, as the skin is not looking good :oops: . Maybe we'll some examples of how to do the painting bits :? .
As Tim has said we have some parts for sale and I've now added some photos to the For Sale section of this forum and our Blog.

See you soon,
Gavin.
 
Goodness, the last post on this thread was before we went Gaydon.
Both Tim and I enjoyed meeting a few of you and despite being as far as removed from our 'normal' trips in the car, we came away thoroughly enjoyed ourself. Even Tim's wife and her daughter who were in the car from Aylesbury to Belfast via Coughton, ended up enjoy the experience of traveling in a luxury old car (and rally car). Again, thanks to all who we meet.

So what has being happen to the big lump since then?
The car has done a Norhtern Ireland Championship Navigation Rally. This was one of the hardest nav rallies in the last few years. Hard driving down very narrow roads. I was driving and my sister navigated. The suspension mods really proved their worth on this event with the car turning in very well and the brakes didn't fade at all. The Jag brakes providing more braking at the back is just the thing the car needs and this stopped the front brakes fading and terminal understeer if braking during corner entry. The bad news was the rally was so full on that we ran out of front brake pads about halfway round.
This was the car's first retirement form any event, but we still drove the 50miles home using the hydraulic hand brake only.

I fitted some Ferrodo DS2500 pads for the next event the UAC Circuit of Ireland Retro, here I sat in the navigators seat and Tim was driving very well as always even though he had not driven in a rally for at least a couple of years and therefore he had not driven the car fast and hard since the Jag, IRS, diff, brakes etc were fitted. So I found myself trying to pass my experience of the cars handling while he was pedaling hard in the tests..... Sorry Tim.

For us the big story of this event was our 5th overall and lesser story was a stone hit us breaking the windscreen.
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As another competitor who had tried to rally the V8s and gave up after breaking diffs and not curing the lack of turn-in, let us take one of his spare windscreens.
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Thanks Clifford Auld, sorry we beat you in your '84 BMW 323i :LOL:

The screen broke early on Saturday morning and we drove to the end of the day through many mud puddles and even got the rear screen dirty on the inside. At one point we had a bird pass between Tim and ending up inside the car!!!

This weekend I was driving again in the last of the Lanes Rallies this car will do, the Motor Sport Assoc has band all cars of more than 4 cylinders. Why? Well as an email from the MSA to me says, "To stop modern cars like a Subaru competing." It only has 4 cylinders!!!!!

So we had a great day's crack and came away with a 1st in Class, despite getting stuck in the mud after going wide off the gravel lane into the field, I was only trying to avoid hitting the concrete post.
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I was stuck down to the belly of the car.
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As a winter present for the car we are going to attempt a paint job..... keep watching...
 
Out tomorrow for the UAC Not the Boxing Day Rally, we are starting just behind Clifford in his V8 Triumph 2000. Should be fun the two V8s together.
The oginisers have put a interesting little group together in the running order:
35 Andy Johnson Vauxhall Chevette HS
36 Dermot Johnson Austin Healey Frogeye Sprite
37 Clifford Auld Triumph 2000
38 Gavin Millington Rover P6
39 Conn Williamson BMW 2002tii
40 Johnny Kennedy Austin A40 Farina
41 Ted Gaffney VW Golf
42 Drexel Gillespie Sunbeam Tiger

FYI car numbers 1 to 24 are Mazda Mx5s, 25 to 33 are MG Midgets. If you are interested the full entry is here https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2013/boxing/entries.php?type=s

Here's hoping the whole on N.Ireland is not washed and blowen away tonight; it raining and blowing hard here. I've left the car out tonight hoping to get a soft polish in the storm. It'll probably just be full of water in the morning.

Gavin.
 
Hi All,

As previous post, Gavin and his sister Kathryn competed in the “Not the boxing day rally” on the 27th December 2013 and as is now becoming somewhat expected the car and driver did rather well. This is a hugely popular event, and rightly so, and this year attracted nearly 100 entries from all over Ireland. For a bit of a write up on the event see:

http://www.stopastride.com/component/k2 ... map=%5B%5D

and for full results see:

http://www.rallyscore.net/178/not_the_boxing_day_rally

To finish 29th overall on such an event is quite frankly remarkable when you consider the pedigree of the top ¼ (or even ½) of the field, as Gavin put it to me last night on the phone “you needed to be a good driver in a good car to beat the Rover”, by default I think that makes the Rover and its driver both firmly in the Good category.

With no suitable events for the car to compete in over the next few months the plan is to give her a bit of a mechanical and cosmetic overhaul. The gearbox is now quite notchy and the diff has loosened off now so much that the car will now spin and inside wheel quite easily. This work will mean lifting out the current engine so quite possibly something with a bit more grunt will be going in in its place, current engine is however hard to give up on as its been super relaible and shows no real stress from all the "use" its been getting!!!!

We remain committed to the development of the Rover, despite the MSA limiting Targa Rallies (Lane events) to a maximum of 4 cylinders, we’ll just have to search harder to suitable events!!!

Tim

PS Gavin keeps the his blog pretty up to date with all the goings on:

http://p6v8.wordpress.com/
 

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We remain committed to the development of the Rover, despite the MSA limiting Targa Rallies (Lane events) to a maximum of 4 cylinders, we’ll just have to search harder to suitable events!!!

They've made that rule because you kept on winning i reckon :)
 
Hi All,

It’s been awhile since we updated the Project thread for our car, mainly because there hasn’t been much progress to report, we’ve kept her MOT’ed and clocked up some road miles but the 2013 “Not the boxing day Rally” remains the most recent competitive outing, some 14 months ago now. The last major progress was the Jag back end conversion, that’s now near 2 years ago. :oops:

Gavin and I have had a bit of a “project meeting” about this, we’ve been developing the car now since the summer of 09, soon to be 6 years, it’s been fun turning a rather ungainly and some would say wholly inappropriate car into a truly competitive, certainly within class, Historic Road rally car. So where do we go from here? :?:

As we see it we have 2 simple choices, keep going or give up, neither of us what to give up so I guess it’s keep going!!! So the call is to keep going, we’ve entered the TDC Irish Classic Rally which runs from 24th-26th April. Retro rallying has suffered over the past few years, like a lot of things do when money gets tight, with cancelled or trimmed down events (3 day “classics” being run as one day events) and those that run having small entries, the TDC event (hopefully) seems to mark a bit of a return to the glory days. The event has over 50 entries, with all the big names in Irish historic rallying turning up, it’s also hold firm to its 3 day format so compared to anything run for the last few years this is going to be a true epic. It looks very much like Gav., will again have to do this one without me (work, kids etc.... all the usual!!), he’ll do his usual sterling job of driving the tests but as he can’t do both the driving and the navigating a stand-in will need to be found.

Anyway what about the car then, for some time now we’ve been unhappy with the steady decline in the car, it has been a hard 6 years of competition and the stresses are more than beginning to show, and we’re getting tired of explaining that the car is in fact very good below the tatty bodywork, our times bear this out but Oh the car looks bad!!! Time for a make-over.

Some of the body work is truly remedial and some is cosmetic. There are some localised areas of rot, driverside jacking point been a case in point, I hit this on some rocks early on in our ownership of the car, that damage combined with time have not been kind, more of that later. So the plan is for the car to get prettier but we also want it to be faster as well. :shock:

The availability of good tyres in 14” has always been an issue, as have the limits placed upon size caused mainly by the rear arches, we’re correcting this by moving to 15” and doing a bit of cutting and reshaping of the lower D post, also more on that in the coming weeks. Added grip is one thing but we’d also like a bit more go…. so we’re back working on getting the 4.6 running, we’re a tad worried that his will give the old LT77 a bit of a going over so that will need looked at as well as it’s got a bit noisy over the years. The LSD also needs tightened as it doesn’t lock quick enough meaning you have to be pretty brutal in the tests to get the back end moving about, this we are told is standard stuff and easy to go.

It is not lost on us that the event is not really that far in the future and there is still a lot to do so progress needs to be rapid, we may need to trim our expectation ie maybe the engine will have to wait but we’ll push for it all and see how we get on.

Progress was made over the weekend on the aforementioned jacking point, see pictures. Our car was extensively welded upon by the previous owner and although the work seems well enough done, it was done some 15 years ago so it has if nothing else stood the test of time; it’s a little hard to go back into the same areas for a second time. The jacking point is now solid but I’m a little unsure of how it’s supposed to look, I’ll use my best judgement there. We’ve skinned the back driverside door, the frame was rotten, if I’d have had access to a better one that definitely would have been the way to go but I’ve now welded up the one I have and I’m happy that it will look fine when painted. The front driverside door is also getting a new bottom, it’s nowhere near as bad as the back one so that should be OK. We have our fingers crossed the passenger side will be more straight forward, we believe it to be much more solid but I will have a good poke about before paint, as a minimum the back door will be skinned and the front one will get the same treatment as the driverside one.

So I’ll try and keep this thread updated as we go but progress is also tracked on our blog https://p6v8.wordpress.com/

Thanks, Tim
 

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Hi All,

A quick update as we’ve appeared pretty silent over the last few weeks when in reality we’ve been beavering away on the car in preparation for what promises to be biggest historic road rally held in Ireland for quite some years http://www.tdcireland.com/phpBB2/

The car is going through a tremendous transformation in appearance, the car will now look good as well as being good, it’s amazing how few people can tell the difference!!!! Anyway new paint, new wheels are all coming together now but the timeline is tight and as with these projects each little bit is taking longer than planned and thus the overall project timing is slipping. We do however have a dead line and a lot of money already invested in the entry etc…. so we will be there even if we need to work all day and all night.

Attached is a pic of the bonnet, all the other panels are just as good, almost too good to put on the car :D but there you go, we don’t do half measures!!!!

Tim
 

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This whole forum has gone a little quiet. Anyway.....

Our car has undergone a little restoration, well it's been painted and I've lost some of the badge holes.
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I only realised after I had fitted the ROVER badge, oops.

We're have an event this weekend, which starts in Kilkenny on Friday afternoon. So we have just today to complete the car. I'm currently at home with the valences waiting for wheels to arrive from Minilite. Once the wheels are here I drive the 80miles to Tims, while I fit the valences he will pop into Euro land and buy tyres at 75% of the price they are here in sterling land. Once fitted with the new paint, wheels and tyre we drive the 200 miles to Kilkenny, to throw it down a few gravel lanes.

Here's how it's looking now....
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Keep chatting.....

I think we'll put another few brackets around the Budget in the Subject...... but it still is a Budget Rally car
 
Gargo said:
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....worth a thousand words.

Nice :), a few pics of the final car before you head off in the sunset are needed :)

It's been a tough couple of months but I do love it when a plan comes together!!!

Tim
 
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