P5B - His Lordship

Spinakerr

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All,

I had been looking for a 3500 P6 for a number of months when Frazzle posted up his recently acquired P5B in the 'Selling' section of this board. I was struck by its looks and began researching in earnest. After driving two that were for sale in London (one an ex-Government car) I was smitten with the stance, road manners and sense of gentlemanly progress. After some correspondence with Frazzle I ended up on a train to Dumfries departing Euston Station last bank holiday Friday and after a test drive with ample hospitality I drove the Zircon Blue saloon back to London in 350 mile stint, pulling up in time for last orders. As you may have seen from Frazzle's post this car used to belong to the Lord Mayor Of London before spending years in Scotland, so there was a certain homecoming air.

A five hour drive is one way to find out if a car is the right fit and I have to say my reaction was entirely positive. There is lots to do, especially with the MOT in July, but I have budgeted accordingly and will no doubt be asking for advice along the way! This weekend I have begun investigations on various leaks/rattles/squeaks and fitted a new screenwash pump & piping. One MOT point ticked off.

I went to Kwik Fit to diagnose a 'tendency to the left' and while amiable & complimentary of the vehicle said they could not align wheels as they do not have the secs on the database. Does anybody know these/know a garage that does?

I drove into central London on a whim last night and took a picture just up from the British Film Institute. I have cleaned it today, don't worry, and a Hamilton cover is on the way (I am on the waiting list with Wandsworth for a garage).

So my journey begins...hopefully nothing too drastic beneath the surface but we shall see.

On the 'to do' list:

Source spare wheel (Rostyle).
Replace/recon power steering pump (currently an awful racket and leaking).
Standard service - oil change, plugs, filters, grease points et all before the tuning (tappets occasionally audible, mixture etc to be adjusted).
Oil leak fault finding can begin proper - not head or rockers, somewhere lower down and on the right side. Possible rope seal.
Flush radiator and ensure not leaking.
Jacking points need welding and sealing.
Door bottoms and sills to be waxoyl filled.
Rear nearside wheel arch hole to be plated and undersealed.
Replace all front bushes (mostly cracked).
Replace door external seals (where the glass meets the bottom of the door).
Front foglight reseat (possible impact here in the past).
All switches to be cleaned - currently the indicators are lazy at low speed. Anybody know the cause here?

And many more.

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Hi and welcome to the forum

Hope you enjoy driving and looking after your Rover. I'm not surprised Kwik Fit didn't have the steering alignment specs. They will be in the workshop manual somewhere if you have one. Ohterwise I'm sure someone with a manual will let you know what the alignment should be.

Dave
 
Setting the FWA isn't exactly straightforward on P5B's. You need to measure the lengths of the two outer drag links first, and then set them to the lengths in the WM, and then adjust the FWA on the centre trackrod.
 
Brave of you driving 350 m on it's maiden voyage
Whereabouts are you in Wandsworth ? I'm only a few miles away in Worcester Park
 
So glad Kwik Fit didn't start twiddling nuts and rods :shock:

Lucky escape there me thinks :)

Shocked this was sold but glad it's stayed on the forum :wink:
 
Thanks for the kind words - don't worry I only went to Kwik Fit as the team in Kingston have performed some emergency fixes to classics I ran a few years ago and thought they could dig on the internet/old manuals as they had before. I will have to track down a garage with the right knowledge - Micheldever tyre center in Hampshire have done me proud in the past but does anyone know of somewhere closer to SW London that has P5 sympathies?

Workshop manual ordered.

Frazzletc - Thanks - I'll unscrew the dash this weekend and clean the contacts of the (probably 1970s BL two pin) flasher before buying a new part.

DaveHerns - I'm in Southfields, just at the end of a wonderful quiet, picturesque road called the A3. Which local meets do you attend? Probably best to PM as off topic!

Further updates to follow investigations this weekend...
 
Give KP Tyres in Ewell a ring 0208 393 2338 - they are pretty straight and don't try to sell you things you don't need .
Prices are good too
 
DaveHerns said:
Brave of you driving 350 m on it's maiden voyage

That's what I love about old cars though, sometimes they surprise you. I once bought a 1976 Pontiac Trans Am which was 11 months into its (decidedly suspect as it turned out) MOT, and had done zero miles in that time. There was quite a bit of rust in the car, which I hadn't noticed cos I was a lot less car savvy back then, but I drove the car (6.6L V8 with a manual box) about 270 miles home the day I bought it. The fuel gauge didn't work, so I topped it right up, and did the same near home, and it turned in 19mpg on the run, and didn't miss a beat, and wow, what a drive! 65mph = 1000rpm (Car still had the auto ratio diff on it)

I was actually tempted by that car myself, but would have had a lot of explaining to do to SWMBO... :roll:
If only I didn't already have 2 new resto projects to do in addition to my P6...
 
Evening all,

Can it really be over a month since I last posted? Rest assured work has been continuing apace, alongside careful planning of the (long) to do list commensurate with budget & skills (or lack thereof). I trust we are all working feverishly towards that show date & getting out and about as much as possible.

On the early may bank holiday the oil was changed, radiator flushed, plugs regapped and various terminally unhealthy leads & hoses replaced.
Screenwasher replaced with new pipe and a pump I found in my toolkit - it'll do for the MOT in July.
A new brass bonnet catch arrived, which was only presentable after extensive Dremelling (awful drop forging I suspect); now functioning smoothly.
Front chrome reseated, fettled and rebolted straight. It was a bit worrying that the original bolts almost fell out - the thread had, erm, unraveled - but luckily new metric bolts one size smaller fitted with nuts and compressable washers. This, coupled with careful reseating of the boss-eyed foglamps transforms the front end. Before and after picture to follow for your consideration.
Replacing screws, bolts and wiring externally and internally is ongoing, as is gentle cleaning of the leather. It appears to have been recoloured in the past but is still very presentable.

I attended the local May Rover P5 meet at the Brooklands Museum and was bowled over by the welcome I received. Not only are there other Zircon blue P5Bs but a bevy of knowledge and contacts that I hastily scribbled down.

What next? Jacking point replacement has been scheduled through a club contact for early June, along with a 'pre-MOT' check. The driver's door auto-looking requires a new component I am tracking down, new tyres are to be hunted down and the cooling system is need of overhaul.

Pictures to follow from a tour around Richmond park (Webasto a joy in this climate) and various trips through inner city London.

We are heading to Oxford for a a wedding this weekend so hopefully this 40 year old daily driver is up to the task...
 
We made it - after exchanging a leaky radiator cap for a working item with a P5 club member Friday morning - 300 miles this weekend up to deepest, drizzliest Oxfordshire, down to Surrey for a Jubilee party (hastily reconvened indoors) and back to London without major issue.

Attached is a shot from 3 weeks ago showing the misaligned chrome & boss-eyed foglamp, a shot of His Lordship outside Aynho Park for the reception and a final shot from the door of out accommodation.
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Quite a few niggles (fuel cap seal imperfect, driver's door auto-locking, switch cleaning etc) to be addressed this weekend, then an appointment with a friendly welder (the conclusion of an extensive interview process) will hopefully reinstill structural integrity.
 

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Nice pics there, especialy like the shot through the doorway :D. Rather a natural frame nice! :)
 
Exactly Grim - an incredibly safety-conscious Rover, inspired by Yale door locks, created latches for the P5 that degrade in key areas such that they lock automatically when shut. So far the only time I have been caught by the wind I had the Webasto open so managed to clamber up (without shoes and oh so carefully) and in. Observers in Sainsbury's Southfields were most amused - the counterpoint to Dukes Of Hazzard style entry. According to club members who nodded sagely at the last meeting a certain mystical component must be excavated and replaced. More on this to follow, no doubt...

Thanks for the fuel seal point Colin - I received the latest club magasine and will be ordering shortly.

Yesterday I completed an incredibly satisfying job - replacing the weatherstrips. Luckily this is easy though I ensured nearby areas were masked to mitigate paint scratches. A length of new rubber was actually in the boot with a number of other spares so the previous owner must have intended to do it. Before and after shots

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An end-of-summer update while I amalgamate the photos for posting this weekend:

His Lordship passed the MOT in June following full replacement of the jacking points and some wheel arch repairs. Suspension bushes and track rod ends were also renewed, and the pesky autolocking cured by a knowledgeable P5B club member.

Further rummaging in the boxes of parts yielded a replacement bonnet release cable (now fitted) and the driver's door card retainers, which I have modified and now sit very nicely. An entire set of new water hoses were also discovered and fitted, although I am forever tightening Jubilee clips - does anyone know a trick to keep them in place? Socket set perhaps over the hex screw head? I replaced the thermostat for good measure as it still overheats slightly in traffic... alas the issue remains to this day so I will be researching new radiators and electric fans.

I've added 2000 miles since purchase and still going strong - fortunately Wandsworth Council heeded my call for a garage and His Lordship is safely stwed after each journey; a great relief given the recent rains.

I was out of the country for the entirety of August and I approached the car with caution upon my return - what fluids had escaped? What mammals ad taken up residence? After a long crank the engine fired on all eight cylinders - truly it was happy to see me! This first photo shows the car on a typical sojourn to Fareham in July.

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Following a 500 mile weekend of hail, country tracks and my underbonnet inquisition in the South the distributor came loose and I had to be rescued by the RAC. Fortunately the autumn sunset kept me company (see photo). Unfortunately I missed the yearly Club meet but hope to be there next time, not losing water...

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I now have a free weekend approaching and would appreciate some advice:

1) Does anyone know a socket for the spark plugs that has thin walls? I can only remove a few given my block/socket combinations.
2) Is it still possible to get hold of an angle drive gear for the gearbox? My speedo recently buzzed itself to a stop.
3) Does anyone have recommendation for a replacement electric fuel pump?

Regards & best to all getting their cars ready for the winter.
 
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