The Guvnor

Brian-Northampton said:
I can think of somewhere you ought to publish the article Nick :roll: :LOL:

That's what I was thinking Brian, great minds etc.

Car has complete history to date, but the Met stuff in particular is obviously of great interest.
 
If I'm reading that service record correctly the car was on M divisions old patch.

The Walworth garage if memory serves me correctly was just off the Elephant & Castle.

None of the covert cars I came into contact with had hidden blues back then.

Your P6 would have potentially rubbed shoulders with a couple of Triumph Dolomite Sprints, and at least one Mk4 v6 powered Cortina that hailed from the same garage, and were used by various regional crime squad/CID teams over a similar period.
 
MadAnt said:
If I'm reading that service record correctly the car was on M divisions old patch.

The Walworth garage if memory serves me correctly was just off the Elephant & Castle.

None of the covert cars I came into contact with had hidden blues back then.

Your P6 would have potentially rubbed shoulders with a couple of Triumph Dolomite Sprints, and at least one Mk4 v6 powered Cortina that hailed from the same garage, and were used by various regional crime squad/CID teams over a similar period.

From what I gather the car was based at Northolt in the plain car garage for most of it's service life.

There was apparently a Triumph Dolomite with the number plate VUC205S, immediately before (although all vehicles had several 'ghost' plates).
 
Looks like an absolutely brilliant project, Nick! One of my favourite 70s colours, and it sounds like it should be great once it's back together.
 
Never seen a 3500 on an S plate, did they build the P6 V8 alongside the SD1? Or was this another case of government buying the last batch of an outgoing model.
Wasn't the hub cap issue mainly confined to S1 cars? They had a different claw fixing to later cars.
 
Hi Rob

They did indeed build SD1 and P6 at the same time! SD1 had a complete new assembly plant built for it - well the assembly plant that was to have built the P8 actually. The "old" plant that had been built new to build P6 was then to be converted to build Land Rovers and Range Rovers. But, at launch, the small capacity SD1's weren't ready because Triumph were having trouble with the straight six which was to have featured in their replacement for the Triumph 2000/2500/2500PI. Rover's new small engine for the P10 which formed the basis of SD1 had been cancelled at the time that the Rover and Triumph projects were merged in late 1971. That engine was a 2.2 ltr DOHC slant four with individual throttle body injection giving 160 bhp. The capacity survived to give the four cylinder P6 a few more years because, of course, this engine was to have been built on the existing P6 engine line tooling.

So in the absence of the SD1 2300 - which was the intended replacement for the P6 2200 - the P6 line was kept open primarily to build 2200's (and 2000's for Italy). V8's continued to be built right up to the end of production, though. With the engine available and the line available, cars were built more or less randomly, perhaps as part sets were identified. Rumour has it that some of the last V8's had SD1 spec engines, although I don't believe there has been any physical evidence turned up.

Of course staffing was a problem. The P6 line became almost a cottage industry. When there was a parts shortage that stopped the SD1 line (this was the mid 70's!), workers were transferred to run the P6 line almost normally. At other times small gangs of "spare" staff would work on a stationary line working from car to car.

It's worth putting SD1 in context too. In late 1971 there were three cars being developed for production. P8, the high tech Rover UberSaloon aimed squarely at the Mercedes S class, although originally touted to start with a 4 cyl engine. P10, which was a Leyland initiated Rover project to build something less tricksy than P8 to take on the Granada head on. And the Triumph project to replace the 2000/2500. At the formation of the Specialist Division all three projects were merged / cancelled. David Bache's styling for P10 together with Spen Kings much simplified Rovr suspension won out to go forward. The Rover V8 was added as a top of the range engine to cope with the loss of P8 and the new Rover 4 cylinder was cancelled in favour of the Triumph engines. The Austin Morris penny pinchers were brought in to make it cheaper to build (primarily, it seems to me, by cheapening the interior) and the gearbox was sourced from Jaguar. Welcome to SD1!

Chris
 
Just an update on progress. Underside of car now primed/painted/undersealed.

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Duncan deploys the Schutz gun.

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The engine, however has revealed itself to be toast. Diagnosis appears to be that it's thrown a follower on the cam which has wreaked havoc on the nearside of the engine. This is due, sadly to accumulated sludge having turned to large gritty particles.

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You can pick handfuls of the stuff out.

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A friend of mine has an SD1 Vitesse engine in known-to-be good condition. This appears to be going in.

The autobox is off to Grawall when it's removed for a checkover.

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First washdown in 20 odd years and she's already looking better.

More to follow....
 
Der Guvnor now has a new owner (Mr. Catboy), and work will continue apace when Duncan gets back from his holidays.

Recently:

Gearbox rebuilt at Grawall, and Harry pronounced it match fit after just a strip and rebuild with new gaskets:

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Vitesse engine sourced and going in once the ends done and a few sheared studs dealt with.

Engine bay stripped, repaired, filled and painted.

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Here's the Dust Brothers getting involved.

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Finished result.

And radiator recored in anticipation. More to follow.
 
Dave3066 said:
That's a nice finish in the engine bay. What did you use?

Dave

The large amount of elbow grease was the main ingredient....it's all in the prep, as we know.

Finish is hi-build 2k primer with satin black rattlecan paint.
 
Due to the arrival of what was thought to be a morning's work - which turned into a two week weldathon - progress has been slower on The Guvnor in last couple of weeks, but the engine is now in after new end shells and chains etc., and the ancilleries will be going on this week ready for initial fireup.

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More to follow very shortly.

Cheers
Nick
 
I just keep coming back to this thread to ogle this stunning car...

It is a real shame that the original engine could not be kept as that unit propelled this beast around on many hair-raising journeys I'd wager!

How is this project coming along? I can't imagine things taking much longer as it looks like things are really coming together.

With regards to the Police history what has been discovered? Do we know what kit the car was equipped with? Do we know if it was on any significant 'shouts'? All this, and more, we just have to know :wink:
 
Hi Grifterkid

We'll I have had some rather good news, as I have said before the previous owners wife had said that the car had been used by Regional crime which we know is true, that the car was used for an anti terrorism role and also diplomatic escort duties.

Now having pondered this for some time, I always thought this sounded too good to be true.

So I have managed to get in with a chap who deals in ex police radio equipment and he has contacts who can supply the correct period radio for the car, having explained the history of the car the this chap he said that it was unlikely that the car was shared between the different sections of the met.

So no problem we know the car is certainly ex regional crime, however last week I was back in contact with the radio chap and one of his contacts at met fleet services confirmed the car started out at Brixton (Walworth), then moved to Houndslow which ties in with Northolt, and here's the good bit for a very short period at the end of its service it was at Lambeth as a spare escort car with the diplomatic escort group.

I assume that the cars role with anti terrorism was with regional crime not special branch.


To say I'm chuffed is an understatement!


The car is now further on and I'm sure Nick will update the thread soon.

Cheers
 
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