Wild Rover - NADA 3500S

So Cal V8

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Just a quick post as I am knackered - the Wild Rover has come home.

Yes - I have bought a NADA 3500S. Yes it is in a bit of a state. Yes I am wondering what I was thinking at the time - still the price was right...

More later, but for now, here are a few pics...

I knew about the fire - but it was still a bit of a shock seeing it in person for the first time

Finally got the bugger on the trailer

After three hours faffing around it's now 5:30 and we have a 400 plus mile journey to get home
 

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Fire, or no, there will be quite a few people here envious of you for that score!

The fenders unbolt, as does just about everything else on a P6B

Do you have a workshop manual and/or a parts book? I can copy a workshop manual for you, covers Aircon + everything *except* your dual-servo brakes if you need it

California car + low mileage as well *sheesh* S-C-O-R-E !! :D

GW
 
A definate score!!, lots of interesting cars in the background of your photos too, makes me feel like home. (in the 60's and 70's)
 
Barely even lightly scorched! What on earth had caught fire in that location? You have every reason to be very well pleased with that! I even like the colour.

Chris
 
A good pressure wash and clean of the inside will make you feel better about it! Looks like the makings of a good car....
 
Thanks everyone,

I know one thing for sure - it has the makings of a very long project...

Graham, thanks for the offer - my workshop manual arrived the day after I first got the news of the fire and when my purchase was in doubt - however, I know I am going to be looking to all of you for my questions in the coming weeks, months, years(!?) So, thank you all in advance.

I don't know the origin of the fire, and neither does the seller. He started the car last week in preparation for my visit, the next thing he knew it was burning merrily under the bonnet. He tried dousing it with the help of a neighbour, but they ended up calling the fire department. The firemen doused everything, even stuff that hadn't burnt, so the interior got a good dose of water and foam.

The right wing seems to have taken the brunt of the damage and the tyre burnt to a crisp. I think the fire was kept going by fuel on the ground and there is a fair amount of damage underneath - lines and hoses seem to be gone or damaged.

Here are some pictures of the fire damage.





I think I am going to uncovering fire damage for a long time to come.

The front suspension seems to have totally collapsed - I am guessing all the bushings were burned out by the fire - any other thoughts?

Alan
 

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I reckon the spring has got hot and lost it's springiness
Has this car got the ceramic insulator where the battery feed goes through the footwell - could that be the cause of the fire ?
 
The firemen doused everything, even stuff that hadn't burnt, so the interior got a good dose of water and foam.

You'll want to leave the doors + windows open for some time; even make stripping the interior out your 1st priority, left unattended that could be more destructive than the fire

GW
 
I found the car when Rudiger posted a link to Flickr at this thread: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9503 As the car looked a bit feral I nicknamed it Wild Rover.

I emailed the owner of the car and found it was for sale. As he was located about 375 miles north of me I had to figure out a time to go and see it to make sure it was worth buying. It took about three weeks to get my schedule to align with the seller’s, but eventually we planned a date and time.

The week before I was due to go north I was having dinner with the family – my wife had relatives over from England, so when the phone rang I ignored it. When I checked my voicemail it was the seller – he had tried starting Wild Rover in preparation for me picking him up. It didn’t go well. Something under the bonnet triggered a fire – the seller and his neighbour tried to douse the flames, but it kept reigniting and the fire department was called. They roundly soaked everything, and then soaked it again just for good measure – in fairness, they couldn’t take any chances. The seller told me that even after that the starter up and started cranking.

I had some photos of the damage emailed to me and after talking to a few folks, including Ian at Rover Classics, I decided I would still take a trip and see just how bad it was.

My mate Henry (another Londoner) agreed to let me take his truck in case I was towing the Wild Rover back. In the end Henry was able to come with me, so at least I would have the voice of reason with me (or not).

We left Orange County on Friday afternoon and headed to my friend’s house 300 miles away, near Yosemite. It was a bit of a detour, but it broke the back of the journey and meant I only had 150 miles to drive the next morning. I had opted to bring a trailer with me as a two day rental was a third of the price of a one-way rental.

We made good time up north and had a great evening at dinner and at a local winery - the evening involved a tattooed child, a horny blonde and a couple of lesbians – but that’s not really part of the Rover story… Except that it meant we had a later start than planned the next morning.

The journey across country took longer than planned and we didn’t arrive until about 1:45 p.m. The seller had made some progress digging Wild Rover out of his lair, but it still was no where near ready for the trailer.

The fire had melted all the bushes in the right front suspension and WR sat way low. The right rear brake was locked solid and we were unable to get it released. After trying everything we ended up dragging WR with the seller’s Dodge van. Then we winched him up onto the trailer with a come-along.

There were quite a few bits and pieces that came with Wild Rover, including a full set of original “S” trim wheels. I also picked up a set of red rear indicators and clear white running lights. I think that the whole package was a pretty good deal even in spite of the damage.

By the time we were ready to leave it was 5:30 p.m. – the direct route home was about 375 miles, but to avoid too many twisty roads and hills we went north another 30 miles before turning south.

Wild Rover made it back to my house a little after 1:30 a.m. and was left street side on the trailer for the night.

In the morning we positioned the trailer so that I could use the winch on my Jeep to drag WR off. As the wheel was still locked up I went and bought some wheel dollies to be able to move WR around.

That was pretty much it for the weekend as the relatives were on the way round so I had to tidy up and look presentable.

I did take a few minutes to put the running lights on and tried cleaning the passenger seat – I already had the red indicators in place; I also rubbed down and primed the burnt area on the front right wing – I know, lipstick on a pig and all that, but I had to do something even if it meant taking it all off again the next day…
 

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Thanks Dave - which weekend were you referring to? :?

I got the right sill off last night - I am only working on the right side of the car for now as it's right up against my wall.

I am well pleased with what I found - I have seen what you all face in the UK and I was dreading a similar find but it all looks really solid :D I whacked it with a hammer and poked it with a screw driver and it all seems good - hope the left side is in the same shape...


If only I had the same good news about the front suspension - it seems everything combustible is gone...
 

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I think the fire damage seems to be very light. Also you don't need to worry much about the suspension bushes. They could be well worn anyway!
It was a good move to clean up the panels first, but if the interior is soaked, as someone else said, remove it completely and let it dry out. If it stays there wet long enough, carpets, underfelt and seats will become useless.
 
hi alan,
i am hoping to get to the RA11 roveramerica in boston on the 2nd to 5th june, don't know if you are going or know anybody that is, but if you need any spares fetching over i can do that hopefully.
methodically taking things off and seeing what is needed, if you are keeping the same set up i have all of the pipes, carbs etc for under the bonnet which you can have for nothing, as you know i did not use them as i have fitted efi. let me know. they should go in my suitcase !!!!!!

ian
 
Ian - thanks for that offer mate, I have sent you an email.

Last night I started to pull the seats and carpet out. The carpet was still sopping wet and the underfelt was wet and scorched, some of it just turned into a nasty black crumbly mess when I tried removing it. I threw the underfelt in the trash, but I have kept the carpet for now - I will try cleaning it and see how it turns out, otherwise it's a new carpet.

The wiring under the carpet was crispy and brittle - obviously the heat had penetrated the cabin even if the flames didn't. At this stage, given my fear of all things wiring related I think I will just replace the whole loom. I have found a company here that can build me a new one for about $500 - as there's no rush I can start to save up. I think it's just easier to replace the whole thing with new wiring - otherwise I am sure I would be constantly hunting down problems in a 40 year-old harness that has been thoroughly barbequed.


I decided to try and get the left sill off the car to see what lurks underneath - I got all the screws out from the underside and opened the rear door to take those screws out when I came across a massive Black Widow spider. By the time I came out of the garage with spider fighting equipment it had gone all hidey (word stolen from another thread on this forum). I searched high and low but couldn't find the bugger - I decided that discretion was the better part of valour and retreated as I had no intention of doing battle with the spider in the failing light. I will purchase chemicals and try again.

For some reason I decided to try and polish up the paint work at about 11:30 last night - just to see. I did part of the passenger door and a strip down the right side of the bonnet - I don't know why really as at some point I will strip it back to bare metal. The paint came up quite well considering - it is a real shame about the fire, I think Wild Rover could have looked great after a decent polish and been a rolling restoration instead of an immediate tear down. On the plus side at least I have started...



I know this has been covered before, but... does anyone have any tips on cleaning up the seats. As far as I know I have lovely Ambla - I have seen that a lot of you use the Woolies product - does that work on Ambla? What do you all suggest to get the crud off? I don't know if Woolies can ship to the States, but if anyone has alternate suggestions I am all ears.

Thanks again.
 

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hi alan,

that has just sent a tingle all over me, i had the same worry when i was fetching the cars over from california, especially putting my hands in the inside of the doors.
as far as seat cleaning goes, raid the household cupboard, far better and a lot cheaper. it's only muck.

as the saying goes 'where there's muck there's money' or spiders !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ian

p.s. good look in finding it
 
I am waging chemical warfare against the spider threat - the wife will bring home the necessary items this evening - until then I am keeping clear of the motor.

I did go through some of the paperwork that came with the car - pretty interesting stuff.

I am the third owner - it was bought new in Poughkeepsie, New York on November 25, 1970. The suggested retail price car was $5,925.50 and included Air Conditioning ($478.00), Tinted Glass all round ($49.50) and Antifreeze (No Charge). The buyer traded in a 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass for $3,512.00, leaving a balance of $2,790 (with tax and license).

The original owner moved to Georgia at some point - after that, in July of 1994 it ended up being sold to the guy I bought it from in California.
 

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hi alan,
that is nice to find that sort of history and the invoice. one of the reasons i wanted to keep the red one i sold to keynsham, it was a two owner car. no idea how many mine has had. just over half way from the chassis number on yours alan of the 2046 roughly that went out there.

ian
 
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