Re: P6 project: BW35 to LT77 manual box swap: the verdict
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DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Hi Dave / Simon,
yes so glad to get started on this, been a while since I've done any work, been enjoying driving it !
So much more I want to do, have hopefully got another SD1 block & 5 spd box, will do the swap from the BW35 auto to the 5spd LT77 next!
Once more funds are free I'd like to get the chrome redone, replace the stainless side trims with new ones, I'm going to lower the front by cutting about 1" from the strut tubes, copying your menthod Simon from a post on your excellent thread, page 14 I think, by the way your P6 is fantastic, your engineering & clever methods of incorparating the Jaguar suspension is very inspiring !
One day when I have learnt how to use 2-pack paint then I'd like to redo the whole car in this, cellulose is great & original but its too fragile, too many chips already & some sinkage in the rear doors, I did rush the rear doors alittle so a few ripples that need more filler primar & blocking down to get it arrow straight ! I am too fussy I think but as I know where the flaws are then it bugs me LOL, even 2-pack is an old style paint mix, is there a more modern mix that is a bit more friendly to the human lungs but also usable in a home DIY garage ?
Cheers for now guys !
Hi Dave / Simon,
yes so glad to get started on this, been a while since I've done any work, been enjoying driving it !
So much more I want to do, have hopefully got another SD1 block & 5 spd box, will do the swap from the BW35 auto to the 5spd LT77 next!
Once more funds are free I'd like to get the chrome redone, replace the stainless side trims with new ones, I'm going to lower the front by cutting about 1" from the strut tubes, copying your menthod Simon from a post on your excellent thread, page 14 I think, by the way your P6 is fantastic, your engineering & clever methods of incorparating the Jaguar suspension is very inspiring !
One day when I have learnt how to use 2-pack paint then I'd like to redo the whole car in this, cellulose is great & original but its too fragile, too many chips already & some sinkage in the rear doors, I did rush the rear doors alittle so a few ripples that need more filler primar & blocking down to get it arrow straight ! I am too fussy I think but as I know where the flaws are then it bugs me LOL, even 2-pack is an old style paint mix, is there a more modern mix that is a bit more friendly to the human lungs but also usable in a home DIY garage ?
Cheers for now guys !
Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
I have a suspicion that shortening the front struts, along with the shorter front springs on mine has improved the suspension geometry in that the wheels seem to remain perpendicular to the road or at a slight negative camber at all times, the standard geometry, I think the v8 in particular, does allow the front wheels to 'tuck in' under cornering with bodyroll, but like most things, it depends what the overall results are that you want, aesthetics or performance. I've been studying as many videos and pictures of P6's going round corners as possible to get a general idea of how they perform in standard form. The LSD has proved invaluable on a number of occations so far, the mounting needs some refinement but it does the job 8)
I've painted two cars so far in cellulose, and it is the most unforgiving paint for imperfections in the surface below. I prefer 2 pack by far, much more forgiving and more durable. I need to buy some more cellulose for my P6 to touch up all the chips it's acquired over the past year, and like you, the plan is to re-paint it later on when the time is right in 2-pack or an equivilent durable paint. I think the current 'preferred' paint is water based, and needs to be baked in an oven, but I have seen OK results with infra red heaters on individual parts, car body panel size.
I have a suspicion that shortening the front struts, along with the shorter front springs on mine has improved the suspension geometry in that the wheels seem to remain perpendicular to the road or at a slight negative camber at all times, the standard geometry, I think the v8 in particular, does allow the front wheels to 'tuck in' under cornering with bodyroll, but like most things, it depends what the overall results are that you want, aesthetics or performance. I've been studying as many videos and pictures of P6's going round corners as possible to get a general idea of how they perform in standard form. The LSD has proved invaluable on a number of occations so far, the mounting needs some refinement but it does the job 8)
I've painted two cars so far in cellulose, and it is the most unforgiving paint for imperfections in the surface below. I prefer 2 pack by far, much more forgiving and more durable. I need to buy some more cellulose for my P6 to touch up all the chips it's acquired over the past year, and like you, the plan is to re-paint it later on when the time is right in 2-pack or an equivilent durable paint. I think the current 'preferred' paint is water based, and needs to be baked in an oven, but I have seen OK results with infra red heaters on individual parts, car body panel size.
DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Update, got the Engine out today at last! was quite straight forward, next is to clean up the engine bay bits that are now accessabile with engine out, repaint it in satin black, some pics for now, once this is done then I'll start on the engine swap.
Update, got the Engine out today at last! was quite straight forward, next is to clean up the engine bay bits that are now accessabile with engine out, repaint it in satin black, some pics for now, once this is done then I'll start on the engine swap.
DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
update, engine bay almost stripped ready for prep & paint (a good coat or two in smooth black hammerite) all the bits n bobs removed will be cleaned, repaired & painted ready for refit, just hope I can remember where it all goes back :wink: cheers for now groovers 8)
the more you remove , the more work you create for ones self, ...its worth it though
update, engine bay almost stripped ready for prep & paint (a good coat or two in smooth black hammerite) all the bits n bobs removed will be cleaned, repaired & painted ready for refit, just hope I can remember where it all goes back :wink: cheers for now groovers 8)
the more you remove , the more work you create for ones self, ...its worth it though
DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Bought the black epoxy mastic, got the prep work finished & then started to lay on this stuff, very nice apart from the shite mini roller I used to do the large flat area's...it broke up.... :x serves me right for buying cheap B & Q crap, anyway it looks much better, once hardened off I'll smooth over the inner wing tops & go over them with a gloss back spray from halfords, I'll go over most of the epoxy mastic to give it a better finish, next is to clean & paint all the brackets n bits n bobs ready to fit back on.
naked metal
epoxy mastic ( with sh1t roller marks...grrrr)
Bought the black epoxy mastic, got the prep work finished & then started to lay on this stuff, very nice apart from the shite mini roller I used to do the large flat area's...it broke up.... :x serves me right for buying cheap B & Q crap, anyway it looks much better, once hardened off I'll smooth over the inner wing tops & go over them with a gloss back spray from halfords, I'll go over most of the epoxy mastic to give it a better finish, next is to clean & paint all the brackets n bits n bobs ready to fit back on.
naked metal
epoxy mastic ( with sh1t roller marks...grrrr)
corazon
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Looking fresh Damian
I was wondering how well paint sits over that epoxy coating?
When I do my engine bay it's to be body coloured and will need to be flatted and polished to the same standard as the panels.
I'll be following your progress to see how good a finish you get! :wink:
ps I swear budget rollers/refills are the biggest false economy of the world. We just redecorated our new bedroom and after 5 mins of painting they were replaced by more expensive ones up to the job. Don't get me started on budget masking tape!..
Jim
Looking fresh Damian
I was wondering how well paint sits over that epoxy coating?
When I do my engine bay it's to be body coloured and will need to be flatted and polished to the same standard as the panels.
I'll be following your progress to see how good a finish you get! :wink:
ps I swear budget rollers/refills are the biggest false economy of the world. We just redecorated our new bedroom and after 5 mins of painting they were replaced by more expensive ones up to the job. Don't get me started on budget masking tape!..
Jim
DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Hi Jim, body colour will look really nice!I did consider it but chickened out, hopefully I can flatten it down but not go through to the metal again so I can lay on an even coat of the black gloss from the spray can, I'm not after a finish to match the body panels but still want a high standard of finish for the under bonnet appearence, once all the bits are painted & replaced then it'll add to the detail, certainly look heaps better than it did to start with.
What is the status of your P6 at the moment ?
Yeah bloody cheap DIY tools...I should have nipped to the local DIY shop around the corner to buy decent rollers but hey ho, instead I got a finish like the hoover bag has been emptied on the wing tops..LOL, never mind, I'm sure I can fix it.
Hi Frazzle, the paint goes on nice, I didnt use too much thinners, but it does start to go off at a fairly moderate rate, unless you are an artist at brush painting then you'll get a few brush marks, I'll let you how it goes! cheers Damian
Hi Jim, body colour will look really nice!I did consider it but chickened out, hopefully I can flatten it down but not go through to the metal again so I can lay on an even coat of the black gloss from the spray can, I'm not after a finish to match the body panels but still want a high standard of finish for the under bonnet appearence, once all the bits are painted & replaced then it'll add to the detail, certainly look heaps better than it did to start with.
What is the status of your P6 at the moment ?
Yeah bloody cheap DIY tools...I should have nipped to the local DIY shop around the corner to buy decent rollers but hey ho, instead I got a finish like the hoover bag has been emptied on the wing tops..LOL, never mind, I'm sure I can fix it.
Hi Frazzle, the paint goes on nice, I didnt use too much thinners, but it does start to go off at a fairly moderate rate, unless you are an artist at brush painting then you'll get a few brush marks, I'll let you how it goes! cheers Damian
corazon
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
I just SORN'd it today actually
BW35 is probably coming out, upgrading heads, 3.9 cam/cloyes chain, carb rebuild, mirror polishing inlet manifold, and fitting MSD Streetfire box are some of the first things on the list..then onto suspension and bodywork
Perhaps this summer I can make it to one of those meets in Andover you've taken yours to, my folks live over in Salisbury..would be nice to see your car
Jim
I'm just clearing a big enough space in our workshop to get the car inside to do some engine/gearbox work..proving a long job!DamianZ28 said:
I just SORN'd it today actually
BW35 is probably coming out, upgrading heads, 3.9 cam/cloyes chain, carb rebuild, mirror polishing inlet manifold, and fitting MSD Streetfire box are some of the first things on the list..then onto suspension and bodywork
Perhaps this summer I can make it to one of those meets in Andover you've taken yours to, my folks live over in Salisbury..would be nice to see your car
Jim
DamianZ28
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Wow, your going to be busy Jim, sounds great with all the modifications, look forward to see how the polished inlet manifold looks ! thinking of polishing the SU tops and the elbow intakes.
First show I'm hoping to make is at Shakespear raceway, Stratford-upon avon, big yank/rod show called 'Garys Picnic' if I've got the new motor run in then I'll give it a blast down the strip, its end of May bank holiday weekend, be great to meet up & see your car aswell!
Good move on the 3.9 heads, doing the same with new 3.9 cam 8) along with the Mallory distie it should be a whole lot quicker! hopefully get the 5 spd SD1 box & block this weekend this'll be the next project doing the swap, my ole BW35 is getting clunky!
Cheers for now.
Wow, your going to be busy Jim, sounds great with all the modifications, look forward to see how the polished inlet manifold looks ! thinking of polishing the SU tops and the elbow intakes.
First show I'm hoping to make is at Shakespear raceway, Stratford-upon avon, big yank/rod show called 'Garys Picnic' if I've got the new motor run in then I'll give it a blast down the strip, its end of May bank holiday weekend, be great to meet up & see your car aswell!
Good move on the 3.9 heads, doing the same with new 3.9 cam 8) along with the Mallory distie it should be a whole lot quicker! hopefully get the 5 spd SD1 box & block this weekend
this'll be the next project doing the swap, my ole BW35 is getting clunky!Cheers for now.
Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Hi Damian,
In my experience I don't think a relatively standard 3.5 RV8 fitted with the 3.9 cam' is necessarily quicker than one with the 3.5 cam'. But I know one thing...get into top gear, get the revs up to 2000rpm, point it at an incline, and then watch it pull and pull effortlessly upwards with a booming V8 soundtrack 8)
DamianZ28 said:
Hi Damian,
In my experience I don't think a relatively standard 3.5 RV8 fitted with the 3.9 cam' is necessarily quicker than one with the 3.5 cam'. But I know one thing...get into top gear, get the revs up to 2000rpm, point it at an incline, and then watch it pull and pull effortlessly upwards with a booming V8 soundtrack 8)
testrider
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Re: P6 V8 project: Engine upgrade, SD1 short block, 3.9cam/heads
Good work Damian. It's nices to have a clean engine bay to work in.
That's how I did the enginebay on EMF, aerosol primer and satin black over the top. It took a while to sand the brush marks out of it, but I've figured out since then there's a knack to brushing it on - if you get it right the brush strokes settle out after a few seconds leaving a smooth finish. I get the brush quite wet and apply it thick and fairly quicky, then don't go back over it if you can help it.
Originally I wasn't thinking about surface finish I just wanted to use the Epoxy Mastic in the engine bay to protect everyting as it's resistant to oil, brake fluid and other such things that you might spill, but I probably didn't need to use in on the tops of the inner wings and slam panel where you want a nice smooth, aesthetically pleasing finish.
Good work Damian. It's nices to have a clean engine bay to work in.
corazon said:Looking fresh Damian
I was wondering how well paint sits over that epoxy coating?
When I do my engine bay it's to be body coloured and will need to be flatted and polished to the same standard as the panels.
That's how I did the enginebay on EMF, aerosol primer and satin black over the top. It took a while to sand the brush marks out of it, but I've figured out since then there's a knack to brushing it on - if you get it right the brush strokes settle out after a few seconds leaving a smooth finish. I get the brush quite wet and apply it thick and fairly quicky, then don't go back over it if you can help it.
Originally I wasn't thinking about surface finish I just wanted to use the Epoxy Mastic in the engine bay to protect everyting as it's resistant to oil, brake fluid and other such things that you might spill, but I probably didn't need to use in on the tops of the inner wings and slam panel where you want a nice smooth, aesthetically pleasing finish.