grifterkid
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Re: My new 1968 P6 S1 V8's body makeover!!!!
Go on, pop a Triplex on the Arden beauty...!!!
Go on, pop a Triplex on the Arden beauty...!!!
My 1968 S1 Rover P6B Three Thousand Five's Refreshtoration!
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grifterkid
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Re: My new 1968 P6 S1 V8's body makeover!!!!
If I did, you'd get first dibs sir... :wink:
Anyhow, whatever happens with this car I cannot wait to see the end result.
If I did, you'd get first dibs sir... :wink:
Anyhow, whatever happens with this car I cannot wait to see the end result.
smokin1942
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Re: My new 1968 P6 S1 V8's body makeover!!!!
Reverting to the mirror mount, I also use a clamp-on fitted to the driver's door.
Mine's a Stadium with a swivel joint at each end of the stem and I have it clamped on the short horizontal top of the door panel, with padding to protect the paint, ahead of the quarterlight and alongside the stainless trim on the screen pillar.
Thus I can still use the swivel window and in fact I look at the mirror through that pane.
Sorry about photo quality, it is the only one showing the position. My digital camera has extended its digit and gone AWOL!
John
Reverting to the mirror mount, I also use a clamp-on fitted to the driver's door.
Mine's a Stadium with a swivel joint at each end of the stem and I have it clamped on the short horizontal top of the door panel, with padding to protect the paint, ahead of the quarterlight and alongside the stainless trim on the screen pillar.
Thus I can still use the swivel window and in fact I look at the mirror through that pane.
Sorry about photo quality, it is the only one showing the position. My digital camera has extended its digit and gone AWOL!
John
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Pilkie
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Re: My new 1968 P6 S1 V8's body makeover!!!!
Went to a few painters I know today,to get a price for painting all 19 panels off the car!
2 were enthusiastic and loved the car,and they are both in the running re price!
The other 2 couldnt really care less what car it was,so they are out of the picture!
One of them quoting a frankly stupid price! :roll:
Obviously they didnt want the job!!
The other having a guy I know working for them p/t, who I would not let near my cars!
Both the contenders are well happy to get the panels ready stripped of other parts!
So its easy for them to prep, prime, paint, polish,and they are more than happy for me to pop in to take a few piccy for my resto album!!
One I have to revisit on Tues to see the boss,who is a classic car enthusiast.
Spare small bedroom now cleared of car parts stash "squeezed into other spare bedroom stash",ready for any parts that need to be kept safe off the S1,like all the parts from when a door is stripped!
Went to a few painters I know today,to get a price for painting all 19 panels off the car!
2 were enthusiastic and loved the car,and they are both in the running re price!
The other 2 couldnt really care less what car it was,so they are out of the picture!
One of them quoting a frankly stupid price! :roll:
Obviously they didnt want the job!!
The other having a guy I know working for them p/t, who I would not let near my cars!
Both the contenders are well happy to get the panels ready stripped of other parts!
So its easy for them to prep, prime, paint, polish,and they are more than happy for me to pop in to take a few piccy for my resto album!!
One I have to revisit on Tues to see the boss,who is a classic car enthusiast.
Spare small bedroom now cleared of car parts stash "squeezed into other spare bedroom stash",ready for any parts that need to be kept safe off the S1,like all the parts from when a door is stripped!
Pilkie
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Re: My new 1968 P6 S1 V8's body makeover!!!!
The stripdown started today under the watchful eye of the boss,Casper Cat!
I still need to be able to drive the car on weds,so ive removed all badges, bumpers, front grille,inner door handles,door trims,bonnet finisher!
Removed then replaced front and rear valences to inspect them and have a look behind,and its all brilliant,just minor spots of dusty rust!
The headlight chrome fixing rings will need replacing!
Not a single seized up bolt or screw so far,and everything is sticky in waxoil!
The foam filler below the radiator is near perfect condition!
Given the engine and engine bay a good soaking in degreaser,another dose tomorrow then a hose down.
I am going to loosen off and do up all the door glass frames and fixings one by one,so I know it will be easy to whip them off when the time comes in the next week or so!
Got to loosen off,then nip back up the roof fixings,1/4 panels and decker screws!!
Hopefully none will be seized!
Also got to trial fit and fettle the new wings and sills before they go to paint!!
Hopefully when the time comes,it wont take me more than a relaxed couple of days to finally strip it and get all the panels to the painter!!
30 more pics at the end of the album!
Click on piccys in my signature below!
But heres a few for now!
ENJOY!
The stripdown started today under the watchful eye of the boss,Casper Cat!
I still need to be able to drive the car on weds,so ive removed all badges, bumpers, front grille,inner door handles,door trims,bonnet finisher!
Removed then replaced front and rear valences to inspect them and have a look behind,and its all brilliant,just minor spots of dusty rust!
The headlight chrome fixing rings will need replacing!
Not a single seized up bolt or screw so far,and everything is sticky in waxoil!
The foam filler below the radiator is near perfect condition!
Given the engine and engine bay a good soaking in degreaser,another dose tomorrow then a hose down.
I am going to loosen off and do up all the door glass frames and fixings one by one,so I know it will be easy to whip them off when the time comes in the next week or so!
Got to loosen off,then nip back up the roof fixings,1/4 panels and decker screws!!
Hopefully none will be seized!
Also got to trial fit and fettle the new wings and sills before they go to paint!!
Hopefully when the time comes,it wont take me more than a relaxed couple of days to finally strip it and get all the panels to the painter!!
30 more pics at the end of the album!
Click on piccys in my signature below!
But heres a few for now!
ENJOY!
Pilkie
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Re: My 1968 P6 S1V8's Refreshtoration,Stripdown has started!!
Todays jobs!
Checked all door glass frames were ready to pop out with the undoing of just 3 screws,then just handles and locks to take off!
The original door to glass rubbers are mint,as are nearly all the rubber fittings!
However the V small rubber/metal angles that fit on the door and against the frame are perishing,but useable!
No point trying to get new ones as these are one of the totally unobtanium parts on a P6!
Made sure the front and rear decker panels will come off easy!
I VERY carefully removed inner 1/4 panel trims,so the outers could be removed!
No drama's under there,all excellent,and under both seats as good as the day it was built!!
All 18 panels are now ready to pop off dead easy!!
Just got the roof to do,but that means partial and carefull removal of the headlining!
If I can find another roof to get painted then I can remove/replace all in one operation!
Todays jobs!
Checked all door glass frames were ready to pop out with the undoing of just 3 screws,then just handles and locks to take off!
The original door to glass rubbers are mint,as are nearly all the rubber fittings!
However the V small rubber/metal angles that fit on the door and against the frame are perishing,but useable!
No point trying to get new ones as these are one of the totally unobtanium parts on a P6!
Made sure the front and rear decker panels will come off easy!
I VERY carefully removed inner 1/4 panel trims,so the outers could be removed!
No drama's under there,all excellent,and under both seats as good as the day it was built!!
All 18 panels are now ready to pop off dead easy!!
Just got the roof to do,but that means partial and carefull removal of the headlining!
If I can find another roof to get painted then I can remove/replace all in one operation!
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Pilkie
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Re: My 1968 P6 S1V8's Refreshtoration,Stripdown has started!!
My chosen painter has been booked for the 19th May to take the 1st batch of 19 panels in!
First will be the doors,1/4 panels and both screen deckers!
I can then hang and re-assemble the doors while the rest is being done! :wink:
Then the wings,sills and valences as these will receive a liberal coat of smooth stonechip on the inside,and both the sills & valences,smooth stonechip on the outside!
Lastly the bonnet,roof and bootlid!
We have agreed a date of Fri 30th May to complete the painting,which gives him 10 working days and possibly the weekend in the middle if needed.
And it gives me 2 wks to get it all put back together for the Bristol Classic Car show at Shepton Mallet on 14/15 June!
PS!!!!
I am still after a V good painted roof!!
Even better would be to find one complete with a very good black Tudor webasto and main headlining!!
So if anyone within say 100 miles of Bristol has one,or knows of one!!
PLEASE!!
PM or E me!
My chosen painter has been booked for the 19th May to take the 1st batch of 19 panels in!
First will be the doors,1/4 panels and both screen deckers!
I can then hang and re-assemble the doors while the rest is being done! :wink:
Then the wings,sills and valences as these will receive a liberal coat of smooth stonechip on the inside,and both the sills & valences,smooth stonechip on the outside!
Lastly the bonnet,roof and bootlid!
We have agreed a date of Fri 30th May to complete the painting,which gives him 10 working days and possibly the weekend in the middle if needed.
And it gives me 2 wks to get it all put back together for the Bristol Classic Car show at Shepton Mallet on 14/15 June!
PS!!!!
I am still after a V good painted roof!!
Even better would be to find one complete with a very good black Tudor webasto and main headlining!!
So if anyone within say 100 miles of Bristol has one,or knows of one!!
PLEASE!!
PM or E me!
Pilkie
Active Member
Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
As there is a week or so to go before the 1st panels go to the painter the next jobs are.
Trial fit the wings,new sills,and fettle to fit.
Remove rear wings,boot and bonnet!
This will enable me to get the car on the 4 poster pointing the right way for my electric engine winch,and allow the cars back end to go high enough on the ramp,up close to the garage roofs cross beam,so the TR6 can be parked underneath,rather than left outside or moved to another place!
Then the engine and gearbox will be removed,so they can be cleaned and painted,along with the clean and paint of the engine bay.
I will then have the weekend off to go to the Beaulieu Autojumble before painting starts.
First job though,after a cuppa and lunch,is to have a tidy up and organise things in the garage!
As there is a week or so to go before the 1st panels go to the painter the next jobs are.
Trial fit the wings,new sills,and fettle to fit.
Remove rear wings,boot and bonnet!
This will enable me to get the car on the 4 poster pointing the right way for my electric engine winch,and allow the cars back end to go high enough on the ramp,up close to the garage roofs cross beam,so the TR6 can be parked underneath,rather than left outside or moved to another place!
Then the engine and gearbox will be removed,so they can be cleaned and painted,along with the clean and paint of the engine bay.
I will then have the weekend off to go to the Beaulieu Autojumble before painting starts.
First job though,after a cuppa and lunch,is to have a tidy up and organise things in the garage!
Pilkie
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Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
All 4 new wings have been trial fitted,and being NOS needed little fettling to fit well!
Bonnet,valences and deckers will now come off,and after lunch put car on ramp ready to have eng/box removed!
Once its on the ramp,and before the really oily stuff starts,I will drop the headlining and remove the roof screws,and free it off ready for taking right off,then re-secure the headlining.
All 4 new wings have been trial fitted,and being NOS needed little fettling to fit well!
Bonnet,valences and deckers will now come off,and after lunch put car on ramp ready to have eng/box removed!
Once its on the ramp,and before the really oily stuff starts,I will drop the headlining and remove the roof screws,and free it off ready for taking right off,then re-secure the headlining.
Pilkie
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Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
Well the roof is off,as are all the other panels except doors!
Just managed to get the headlining out without removing any glass!
Just in time actually,as when I was removing the front headlining trim panel,it was a bit stiff,and when it let go I whacked the tip of my ring finger on the roof frame,nearly chopping the tip off! :shock:
OW! That FFFin hurt!
Just stemmed the flow of blood in time not to get any in the car, :roll: , did a bit of mechanics first aid then a sit down pain killers,bikkies and a cuppa!
Anyway,all the roof screws came out,and it came off easily,,,once I had removed the hidden screw I forgot!
Roof frame all good,behind both deckers all good,front roof pillars behind chrome trim all good!
Taken the window frames out of the doors,and will take them right off when they have to go to paint.
More on the piccys link below!
Well the roof is off,as are all the other panels except doors!
Just managed to get the headlining out without removing any glass!
Just in time actually,as when I was removing the front headlining trim panel,it was a bit stiff,and when it let go I whacked the tip of my ring finger on the roof frame,nearly chopping the tip off! :shock:
OW! That FFFin hurt!
Just stemmed the flow of blood in time not to get any in the car, :roll: , did a bit of mechanics first aid then a sit down pain killers,bikkies and a cuppa!
Anyway,all the roof screws came out,and it came off easily,,,once I had removed the hidden screw I forgot!
Roof frame all good,behind both deckers all good,front roof pillars behind chrome trim all good!
Taken the window frames out of the doors,and will take them right off when they have to go to paint.
More on the piccys link below!
Pilkie
Active Member
Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
Had a bit of a slow day today due to rain,hail!
Did the final removal of all fittings,and drilled holes for badges and rubber seals on wings!
Inside all the doors is brilliant,only the slightest sign of surface rust in 1 door!
Laid out the wings for a final photocall then jumped on them!
And it seems Casper had a go with my lump hammer when I wasnt looking!!
Decided to keep the rear ones intact,as they will serve as emergency spares if ever needed!
Had a bit of a slow day today due to rain,hail!
Did the final removal of all fittings,and drilled holes for badges and rubber seals on wings!
Inside all the doors is brilliant,only the slightest sign of surface rust in 1 door!
Laid out the wings for a final photocall then jumped on them!
And it seems Casper had a go with my lump hammer when I wasnt looking!!
Decided to keep the rear ones intact,as they will serve as emergency spares if ever needed!
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GRTV8
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Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
I haven't seen this form of restoration before !
What is the technical term for destroying good looking wings ? I may have overlooked a previous post where you mentioned they were stuffed !
You were doing a great job up to that point Mr P. Its just my hoarder instinct kicking in and not being strong enough to throw P6 stuff away .
If the colour is upsetting you - may I suggest Almond.
Im enjoying your work and posts .
Gerald
I haven't seen this form of restoration before !
What is the technical term for destroying good looking wings ? I may have overlooked a previous post where you mentioned they were stuffed !
You were doing a great job up to that point Mr P. Its just my hoarder instinct kicking in and not being strong enough to throw P6 stuff away .
If the colour is upsetting you - may I suggest Almond.
Im enjoying your work and posts .
Gerald
Pilkie
Active Member
Re: My 1968 P6S1V8's Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
The lower front wing to valence metal was no more,but the valence is near perfect as the disease had not spread!
The restoration term you are looking for is;
Gratuitous violent stress releasing fettling! :twisted:
All restorations get worse before getting better!
I just hope I remember how it all goes back together??
Bound to have a few bits left over!
At least i've hoarded the rear wings! :wink:
When I was 1st looking for a P6V8 back in 1999 I wanted one in almond/huntsman/webasto/bronze leather/bootmount/rostyles!
Sadly couldnt find one even close!
The lower front wing to valence metal was no more,but the valence is near perfect as the disease had not spread!
The restoration term you are looking for is;
Gratuitous violent stress releasing fettling! :twisted:
All restorations get worse before getting better!
I just hope I remember how it all goes back together??
Bound to have a few bits left over!
At least i've hoarded the rear wings! :wink:
When I was 1st looking for a P6V8 back in 1999 I wanted one in almond/huntsman/webasto/bronze leather/bootmount/rostyles!
Sadly couldnt find one even close!
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Pilkie
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Re: My 1968 S1V8P6Bs Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
Hi all.
I've thought about it long and hard while doing lots of little jobs on the S1 this week,and i've decided that as the engine and gearbox are running perfectly,it really would be tempting fate if I removed them for no other reason than to clean and paint it and the engine bay!
Therefore they are staying in,and I will work round it and do what I can!
Access is not to bad, and once a few things are moved and masked off,the satin black stonechip spray will get to most of the inner wing areas,and a long brush will reach the fiddly bits!
If the need arises in the future to remove the eng/box,then I will do a more thorough job on it!
As this is a refreshtoration rather than a full on restoration,its all about trying to keep most of the unique patina,rather than making it look like new or better than new!
Some have said that it is what is now commonly classed as,"A true survivor car!!",and shouldnt really even be painted,just cleaned!
True to a point!!
But as both the front wings were really only hanging on by 1 bolt,as the rust around that area was bad,"see pics",it was sort of a safety issue in my mind!
You cant replace wings without painting,and you wont match the rest!!
So as 1 rear wing and a sill were also rusty and the other panels had a few minor scabs from left on bird poo,the only real solution was a repaint!
Right time to get back at it, as ive just had a real bargain buy deal of 24 large spray cans of Hammerite under body seal with added waxoil in black, @ £4.50 each, delivered to freshen it all up underneath!
Hi all.
I've thought about it long and hard while doing lots of little jobs on the S1 this week,and i've decided that as the engine and gearbox are running perfectly,it really would be tempting fate if I removed them for no other reason than to clean and paint it and the engine bay!
Therefore they are staying in,and I will work round it and do what I can!
Access is not to bad, and once a few things are moved and masked off,the satin black stonechip spray will get to most of the inner wing areas,and a long brush will reach the fiddly bits!
If the need arises in the future to remove the eng/box,then I will do a more thorough job on it!
As this is a refreshtoration rather than a full on restoration,its all about trying to keep most of the unique patina,rather than making it look like new or better than new!
Some have said that it is what is now commonly classed as,"A true survivor car!!",and shouldnt really even be painted,just cleaned!
True to a point!!
But as both the front wings were really only hanging on by 1 bolt,as the rust around that area was bad,"see pics",it was sort of a safety issue in my mind!
You cant replace wings without painting,and you wont match the rest!!
So as 1 rear wing and a sill were also rusty and the other panels had a few minor scabs from left on bird poo,the only real solution was a repaint!
Right time to get back at it, as ive just had a real bargain buy deal of 24 large spray cans of Hammerite under body seal with added waxoil in black, @ £4.50 each, delivered to freshen it all up underneath!
Pilkie
Active Member
Re: My 1968 S1V8P6Bs Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
Even though under the rear arches looked good at 1st glance,once you start scraping at the very loose stuff the rest comes off showing the extent the surface rust had spread! :|
Fortunately it was not that bad and has been caught before it really started to eat away at the solid metal!
A wet winters use would of seen it saturated with salty water,with the ensuing rot starting up again!
A day spent scraping off all the underseal that would shift on both rear arches,and anywhere else on the back I spotted loose stuff,wire brush on the drill,treating it then undersealing 1st with a thick brush on hammerite all over especially all the joints and corners,then a good even heavy coat of spray on hammerite underseal for a consistent look.
I spray-undersealed the sills,boot floor and the main floors right up to the front with only minor local treatment!
Will do the front arches and other areas tomorrow,also make a start on rubbing down the inner wing tops!!
I will give all areas another few coats before the panels start to go back on!
About time for a long scrub in the bath to de-underseal me!
Even though under the rear arches looked good at 1st glance,once you start scraping at the very loose stuff the rest comes off showing the extent the surface rust had spread! :|
Fortunately it was not that bad and has been caught before it really started to eat away at the solid metal!
A wet winters use would of seen it saturated with salty water,with the ensuing rot starting up again!
A day spent scraping off all the underseal that would shift on both rear arches,and anywhere else on the back I spotted loose stuff,wire brush on the drill,treating it then undersealing 1st with a thick brush on hammerite all over especially all the joints and corners,then a good even heavy coat of spray on hammerite underseal for a consistent look.
I spray-undersealed the sills,boot floor and the main floors right up to the front with only minor local treatment!
Will do the front arches and other areas tomorrow,also make a start on rubbing down the inner wing tops!!
I will give all areas another few coats before the panels start to go back on!
About time for a long scrub in the bath to de-underseal me!
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Phil Robson
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Re: My 1968 S1V8P6Bs Refreshtoration,The stripdown has started!!
You're only posting those pics to make most of us jealous... :wink:
You're only posting those pics to make most of us jealous... :wink:
