shockie comparisons

billoddie said:
Grrr :x
Do the people making these actually put them on a vehicle to make sure they are IDENTICAL?

They are passing my comments onto AVO and will get back to me.

I did hope to pop the old ones off and pop the new ones on - end of :(

Richard
 
I too have my front ones off in anticipation...but it turns out to be quite fortuitous anyways, as I discovered they had no inner fixing pin!!
The rubber bushes are pretty new looking, but are fairly distorted...from not being seated and controlled correctly i would imagine.
I have emailed Nigel at AVO...relaying your findings.
He did mention that "changes could be made"
I suggested a direct comparison with an original shock and then perhaps go from there.
Would be good if they can indeed make the appropriate changes AND keep the price the same.
Fingers crossed.
 
I have an answer from my email sent to the supplier above.

"Hi Richard

As per our phone call, can you please let us know the sizes of the bushes please, both the original, and also the supplied ones.

Once I have this information I shall update AVO.

Kind Regards"

Seems they are interested in getting it fixed which is nice 8)

Shame the shocks are at home, I will have to do it tonight.

They did say on the phone that AVO had supplied more than 50 pairs this year for the P6 and had not had a problem?

Anyone on here bought any?

Richard
 
Also, the inner measurement of the sleeve is 15.78mm, whereas the outer measurement of the pins are 16.75mm so they will not go over the pins anyway.

So you're really stuck !

I was going to suggest you could shorten the inner sleave and trim off the excess plastic from the bush, to make them the right length, but no chance if they won't go over the stubs.
 
quattro said:
Also, the inner measurement of the sleeve is 15.78mm, whereas the outer measurement of the pins are 16.75mm so they will not go over the pins anyway.

Hi, what is the outer measurement of the sleeve? I am thinking the sleeve could be
removed and the bush slid over the pin, and with the bush crushed up should be secure.
I know you shouldn't have to mess about like that but just a thought. Still if they are
going to remedy the problem that is all to the good.

Colin
 
colnerov said:
quattro said:
Also, the inner measurement of the sleeve is 15.78mm, whereas the outer measurement of the pins are 16.75mm so they will not go over the pins anyway.

Hi, what is the outer measurement of the sleeve? I am thinking the sleeve could be
removed and the bush slid over the pin, and with the bush crushed up should be secure.
I know you shouldn't have to mess about like that but just a thought. Still if they are
going to remedy the problem that is all to the good.

Colin

I thought of that, and I will be remeasuring tonight to make sure I have done it right. Problem is, if I remove the sleeve and it still doesn't work. it will be difficult to send them back.

I could remove the sleeve, trim off the edges of the red plastic, pump it full of PU sealer and let it all cure for a couple of months. That would do it I'm sure but as the car is off the road for a while, it could very well be early April before I test drive it.

Richard
 
quattro said:
I have an answer from my email sent to the supplier above.

"Hi Richard

As per our phone call, can you please let us know the sizes of the bushes please, both the original, and also the supplied ones.

Once I have this information I shall update AVO.

Kind Regards"

Seems they are interested in getting it fixed which is nice 8)

Shame the shocks are at home, I will have to do it tonight.

They did say on the phone that AVO had supplied more than 50 pairs this year for the P6 and had not had a problem?

Anyone on here bought any?

Richard

Yes, I have some. The eyelets are the same as yours but there were different length steel sleaves for top and bottom so the lower bushing didn't need to be compressed that much. They're currently off the car whilst I identify a rattle though. The shock is held much more firmly in place but the damping circuit is very accurate so the ride is good.

Ideally the steel sleaves should be made from polybush material to allow a bit more flexiblity. AVO themselves are very helpful so if the supplier isn't interested AVO will be.
 
AVO are aware of the issue, and are making a direct comparison with an original shock for a definitive assessment.
 
billoddie said:
AVO are aware of the issue, and are making a direct comparison with an original shock for a definitive assessment.

Yes, I just emailed them all the measurements.
 
From the supplier

Hi Richard

Avo have come back to use and advise they are going to post you out some new bushes to replace the ones received in the shocks that will match your measurements and fit your car.

I hope this is all okay.

I'll let you know how it goes when they arrive

Richard
 
This is the reply I received from AVO...

brenten

it looks like our bush size is 36mm wide and it should be 32mm wide, i think peole in the past have just been cutting the bush down

spec now changed to 32mm bushes

regards

nigel
avo

As it stands. I'm not sure this will address all of the concerns...namely inner bush diameter vs mount outer diameter??
 
These arrived yesterday

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The sleeves were still a bit tight, so I heated them up with the old hot air gun and tapped them into place.

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Let them cool down, and the shocks just went straight on, no problem.

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billoddie said:
Sleeves...metal on metal?
Squeaking?

I thought that, but they are tight and need heating to get them to fit, so I don't think they will be going anywhere.

I'm happy with them now that the correct bushes and sleeves are on there.

Richard
 
Hi, did they give any indication that these would now be supplied (fitted or not) with
the dampers or have to be obtained/bought separately.

Colin
 
If they can make a bush that fits with a sleeve, then why can't they make a bush that fits without one? Personally I wouldn't be happy with that, but hey, it's not my car.
 
harveyp6 said:
If they can make a bush that fits with a sleeve, then why can't they make a bush that fits without one? Personally I wouldn't be happy with that, but hey, it's not my car.

Given the time it took to get the bushes, i.e. not very long, I would presume they had them in stock and didn't in fact make them.

As far as I can ascertain, the shocks will be supplied like this in future, with the correct bushes on (and the sleeves). Personally I would prefer them without sleeves, but at least they fit now.

Shame the gearbox is on the bench, or I could take it for a test drive :shock:

I must admit that I can't help thinking about Chris's car when he put the threaded sleeve over the pins and sheared the eye off the shock

Richard
 
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