shockie comparisons

[harveyp6]

If they can make a bush that fits with a sleeve, then why can't they make a bush that fits without one? Personally I wouldn't be happy with that, but hey, it's not my car.

Given the time it took to get the bushes, i.e. not very long, I would presume they had them in stock and didn't in fact make them.

That's exactly what I would think, but that doesn't make it right, only easier for them, and that's not the way they should be thinking, they should be thinking about doing it right and if making bushes of the correct size and type is beyond them, then I don't hold out much hope for the dampers themselves. I consider this to be on a par with the idiots who tell you they can do your rear calipers, and then get a decent handbrake by adjusting up the cable, in both cases, the truth is, they don't know what they're doing.

 

[colnerov]

Hi, I would view this as an interim fix. P6 bushes are the same as Land/Range Rover
and they make Poly bushes for them. I think the real problem is the 'eye' on the ends
of the damper are the wrong size for the application and it is them that need changing.
That is not going to happen any time soon, I fear.

Colin

 

[harveyp6]

Hi, I would view this as an interim fix. P6 bushes are the same as Land/Range Rover
and they make Poly bushes for them.

They may be the same type, but they're not the same size.

 

[colnerov]

Yes, you are of course right. But the eye is still the wrong profile.

Colin

 

[quattro]

If they can make a bush that fits with a sleeve, then why can't they make a bush that fits without one? Personally I wouldn't be happy with that, but hey, it's not my car.

Given the time it took to get the bushes, i.e. not very long, I would presume they had them in stock and didn't in fact make them.

That's exactly what I would think, but that doesn't make it right, only easier for them, and that's not the way they should be thinking, they should be thinking about doing it right and if making bushes of the correct size and type is beyond them, then I don't hold out much hope for the dampers themselves. I consider this to be on a par with the idiots who tell you they can do your rear calipers, and then get a decent handbrake by adjusting up the cable, in both cases, the truth is, they don't know what they're doing.

Whereas I do agree with your line of thought here Harvey, these are uprated adjustable shocks to make the car handle better, and being so it would be silly to use the old rubber type squishy bushes, as they would defeat the object of the exercise somewhat.

I am playing devil's advocate a bit here as I would prefer the bush to fit the pin without the sleeve and perhaps just be of a stiffer material.

 

[billoddie]

Pity your car isn't mobile Richard.
Will eagerly await feedback as to performance/comfort of the shocks.
In the interim, I will email AVO with the concerns as raised by Harvey to see what (if anything) they intend to do.
Until I know where I stand with them, and how the shocks perform on Richards car, I will decline from ordering them just yet.

The sleeves may well be adequate, but I tend to agree with Harvey...it doesn't take much to make them right.

 

[harveyp6]

In the interim, I will email AVO with the concerns as raised by Harvey to see what (if anything) they intend to do.
Until I know where I stand with them, and how the shocks perform on Richards car, I will decline from ordering them just yet.

Nice make me the bad guy! Don't worry, I've got broad shoulders, I can take it! :wink:

 

[billoddie]

Nice make me the bad guy!

He he
Everyone needs a fall guy.

 

[billoddie]

HI guys.
Here is a copy of the email as sent to AVO.


Good morning Nigel.

Just some feedback on the shock absorbers that were recently supplied to a member of the Classic Rover Forum.
Richard now reports that with the supplied spacers and different bushes, they do indeed fit the vehicle.
However, there is a degree of concern in regards the metal spacers. Mainly the fact that this now creates a "metal on metal' situation; potentiating future problems.
Also, members have questioned the need for such spacers in the first place...why not just make the exact, correct bush size?

Currently, there are VERY FEW options for quality aftermarket shock absorbers to fit the Rover P6.
With AVO's very competitive pricing, and by addressing these minor issues as identified by forum members, AVO can position themselves as a FIRST CHOICE shock absorber for the P6 community.

Hope to hear from you soon Nigel.
Regards
Brenten


I will shortly email GAZ shocks to enquire about the best price they can give if a few of us buy them.
For the record, AVO offered a 15% discount to Geoff, Al, and myself here in OZ...4 shocks supplied and delivered for 304 pounds...$470

 

[billoddie]

reply viz a viz AVO shocks

START

many thanks for your feed back, always good to hear from customers etc

the reason for the 5/8 i/d sleeve is that all our bushes have a 3/4" i/d, we use these bushes on all our applications and unfortunately it would not be cost effective to have the qty needed made with a 5/8 bore
there are many application that use this system, only draw back is some thime when removing the old unit the sleeve will have rusted on to the post on the car, so we would always recommend greaeing first when fitting

i hope this is of help

best regards

nigel
avo sales

FINISH

 

[harveyp6]

the reason for the 5/8 i/d sleeve is that all our bushes have a 3/4" i/d, we use these bushes on all our applications and unfortunately it would not be cost effective to have the qty needed made with a 5/8 bore

So, they'll go to the expense of making dampers that have the opposite action and valving to every other application, yet they can't be bothered to make up the proper bushes to go with them. I don't remember anyone on here saying that the bushes were incorrect, and that they wouldn't be prepared to pay a little bit extra the get the correct ones.....

i hope this is of help

best regards

nigel
avo sales

Not really.....

 

[billoddie]

billoddie wrote:
the reason for the 5/8 i/d sleeve is that all our bushes have a 3/4" i/d, we use these bushes on all our applications and unfortunately it would not be cost effective to have the qty needed made with a 5/8 bore

Actually, Nigel wrote that Harvey.

 

[harveyp6]

Apologies. I had realised that, and didn't want it to appear in any way that I thought you had said it, unfortunately my "copy'n'paste" skills (or lack of them) let me down badly. I've now edited it to be the way that I had intended in the first place.

 

[billoddie]

Nigel @ AVO wrote:
the reason for the 5/8 i/d sleeve is that all our bushes have a 3/4" i/d, we use these bushes on all our applications and unfortunately it would not be cost effective to have the qty needed made with a 5/8 bore

No worries...i knew what you meant

 

[testrider]

Why can't they make the sleave out of poly bush type material that has some give in it?

 

[webmaster]

..or stainless steel so at least it won't rust.

 

[harveyp6]

I read on another forum somewhere where someone sourced the material used in the manufacture of polybushes, got some, and turned their own bushes up in a lathe. (Probably because there was another firm out there that thought it wasn't "cost effective" to supply them.) Even though the eyes on the AVO shocks are different to the standard item I can't really see it being that difficult to make something that can be used with the standard (split pin) retainer, and doesn't involve metal tubes. Maybe I'm missing something here.

 

[billoddie]

So, they'll go to the expense of making dampers that have the opposite action and valving to every other application, yet they can't be bothered to make up the proper bushes to go with them.

Do you mind if I relay your sentiment to AVO Harvey?

 

[harveyp6]

So, they'll go to the expense of making dampers that have the opposite action and valving to every other application, yet they can't be bothered to make up the proper bushes to go with them.

Do you mind if I relay your sentiment to AVO Harvey?

Why should I? I can't see any reason to change anything in that statement, particularly in view of their earlier reply that making the correct bushes "wasn't cost effective".

 

[ewokracing]

billoddie - maybe Koni's or Bilsteins might be the go after all? Where did you get your price for the Bilsteins from?